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03-06-2012 , 10:18 PM

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Can someone explain Holder's reasoning here?

I could, but it's a secret.

03-06-2012 , 10:19 PM

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Eric Holder defends atmosphere-transmitted mechanical stress on key human anatomical pressure points without charges.

03-06-2012 , 10:26 PM

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"It's fine for the president to unilaterally execute citizens he says are bad guys as long as he has the right letter next to his name."

Do I have it pretty well-summarized Iron?

03-06-2012 , 10:53 PM

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03-06-2012 , 10:54 PM

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lol

03-06-2012 , 10:57 PM

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I mean I'm really struggling to think of something Obama could do that Iron would object to. If murdering 16 year old citizens with no due process doesn't make the list...

03-06-2012 , 10:59 PM

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I mean I'm really struggling to think of something Obama could do that Iron would object to. If murdering 16 year old citizens with no due process doesn't make the list...

Party switch.

03-06-2012 , 11:07 PM

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Party switch.

boom roasted

03-07-2012 , 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by iron81

Obama. That's his job as Commander in Chief.

Shredding the US Constitution was so much fun let's do the Magna Carta too!

03-07-2012 , 03:23 AM

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remote-controlled landscaping

03-07-2012 , 10:12 AM

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Stephen Colbert confirmed dishonest hack:
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03-07-2012 , 11:39 AM

#187

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I know I was terrified that 16 year old was literally seconds away from launching a chemical strike on DC. Good thing we caught him at the family barbeque in time.

Not sure how this BBQ thing keeps coming up other than some family members claim on wiki. Here's Time's take:

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According to his relatives, Abdulrahman left the family home in the Sana'a area on Sept. 15 in search of his fugitive father who was hiding out with his tribe, the Awalak, in the remote, rugged southern province of Shabwa. Days after the teenager began his quest, however, his father was killed in a U.S. drone strike. Then, just two weeks later, the Yemeni government claimed another air strike killed a senior al-Qaeda militant. Abdulrahman, his teenage cousin and six others died in the attack as well. A U.S. official said the young man "was in the wrong place at the wrong time," and that the U.S. was trying to kill a legitimate terrorist — al-Qaeda leader Ibrahim al-Banna, who also died — in the strike that apparently killed the American teenager.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...#ixzz1oRhUhSfB

It sucks that a kid got killed, but when you are running around with terrorists that the US and Yemeni govt is trying to kill for weeks those things can happen.

Also, lovely family there:

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A brother-in-law of Awlaki is Tariq al-Dahab, who leads al-Qaeda insurgents in Yemen. On Thursday, February 16, 2012, the terrorist organization stated he had been killed by agents, although it is speculated by the media that he was killed by his brother in a bloody family-type feud.[243][244][245]

I certainly trust their word on facts and events.

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03-07-2012 , 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

It sucks that a kid got killed, but when you are running around with terrorists that the US and Yemeni govt is trying to kill for weeks those things can happen.

Also, lovely family there:

I certainly trust their word on facts and events.

Oh, the Yemeni govt was after him too? Well, in that case, the dude MUST be evil...

From wiki:

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The government and its security forces, often considered to suffer from rampant corruption, have been responsible for torture, inhumane treatment, and extrajudicial executions. There are arbitrary arrests of citizens, especially in the south, as well as arbitrary searches of homes. Prolonged pretrial detention is a serious problem, and judicial corruption, inefficiency, and executive interference undermine due process. Freedom of speech, the press, and religion are all restricted.[69]

Human Rights Watch reported on discrimination and violence against women as well as on the abolition of the minimum marriage age of fifteen for women. The onset of puberty (interpreted by some to be as low as the age of nine) was set as a requirement for marriage instead.[70] Publicity about the case of ten-year old Yemeni divorcee Nujood Ali brought the child marriage issue to the fore not only in Yemen but worldwide.[71][72][73]

Forms of hostile prejudice directed towards disabled people and religious minorities have also been reported. Censorship is actively practiced, and in 2005 legislation was passed requiring journalists to reveal their sources under certain circumstances. The government has raised the start-up costs for newspapers and websites significantly. In violation of the Yemeni constitution, the security forces often monitor telephone, postal, and Internet communications. Journalists who tend to be critical of the government are often harassed and threatened by the police.[10]

03-10-2012 , 11:56 PM

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http://www.salon.com/2012/03/09/the_authoritarian_mind/

wow

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Hollywood producer and director Davis Guggeinheim just produced a 17-minute “documentary” hailing the greatness of Barack Obama and his many historic and profound accomplishments, and it will be released this week by the Obama campaign. Please just watch this two-minute interview of Guggenheim by CNN’s Piers Morgan in which Guggenheim explains that nothing critical can or should be said of our President other than the fact that he is so Great that his Greatness cannot be sufficiently conveyed in a single film (via VastLeft); other than noting the obvious — how creepy his Leader worship is and how perfect of a guest-host he’d be for several MSNBC shows — all I can say is that this is the pure face of the Authoritarian Mind, but it is as common as it is repellent:

03-10-2012 , 11:57 PM

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I wonder if we can get Piers Morgan to interview Iron81

03-11-2012 , 12:08 AM

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That interview was amazing. Piers is like so there is no negativity about Obama in the movie? Guy responds how can you say that when you have not seen it? You just said your only regret is not being able to fit all the great things he has done into it... Guy is like oh.. yeah... that makes sense.

03-11-2012 , 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Oh, the Yemeni govt was after him too? Well, in that case, the dude MUST be evil...

From wiki:

I didn't make any claims about the Yemeni govt. I brought it up originally in response to the people who think we went in w/o their permission (ala OBL).

03-11-2012 , 02:06 AM

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I wonder if we can get Piers Morgan to interview Iron81

"The only negative about Barrack Obama is that there are too many positives"

03-11-2012 , 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Not sure how this BBQ thing keeps coming up other than some family members claim on wiki. Here's Time's take:

It sucks that a kid got killed, but when you are running around with terrorists that the US and Yemeni govt is trying to kill for weeks those things can happen.

Also, lovely family there:

I certainly trust their word on facts and events.

Some of us are a little hesitant to take unnamed US officials at their word *gasp* *shock* *horror*. I mean, what do you expect to come out of the CIA after something like this?

03-11-2012 , 01:22 PM

#195

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But definitely take Al Awlaki family members at their word?

03-11-2012 , 01:32 PM

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But definitely take Al Awlaki family members at their word?

obvious not, and obviously none of us can say what happened with a great degree of confidence. That's the super cool thing about a justice system. People can actually get trials before their government drones them to death.

Out of curiosity, if a CIA drone were to hypothetically hit a couple of teenagers in an accident, do you think the script would play out differently from this?

03-11-2012 , 01:46 PM

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Well I would assume there can be some fact-checking into whether al-Banna was also killed. We know Al-Alwaki's son left home to go looking for him, so there's no reason to be surprised if he's in the same company as a high-value target.

03-11-2012 , 01:56 PM

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hahaha, apparently Yemen's Interior Ministry has yet to go about fact checking. From earlier this week. Whoops:

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Yemen's interior Ministry has disclosed on Wednesday that Al-Qaeda has a "terrorist" plan to attack Al-Mukallh of Hadhramout governorate with the aim of declaring it as an Islamic Emirate.
In its website, it said that 300 of Al-Qaeda operatives including three leaders, Ibraheem Al-Bana'a, Egyptian Nationa, Qasim Al-Raimi, and Shaker Hamel were planning to attack strategic government facilities, military and security camps.

If our brave unnamed officials want to make up a story about the 16 year old hanging around a Super Scary Terrorist, they could at least make sure the SST is actually dead.

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03-11-2012 , 02:07 PM

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hmmm, so is he dead or not? I agree it's kind of ridiculous that the website you linked is the only one that seems to be reporting on this.

03-11-2012 , 02:15 PM

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He definitely looks alive to me. The spelling in both names is different, but how many Ibrahim Al-banna's from Egypt who are high ranking members of AQ in Yemen can there be? Plus, AQ denied he was killed in the strike at the time.

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