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Well, the Tribune and GG articles conflict on whether Holder said this. Since the Tribune is a news organization and GG is a partisan blogger, I'm inclined to believe the Tribune.

03-06-2012 , 08:01 PM

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iron is probably pointing out that the word "execution" has a negative connotation, which means it's a stunningly biased choice of words, especially when neutral expressions such as "lawful drone strike" could be used instead!

03-06-2012 , 08:03 PM

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Execution is a good word. "execution style" murders: it's clear the victims are completely helpless and not an immediate threat to the killers. The range and weapons are sure things.

The drone operator sees the victim on screen, pushes a button, dude is dead. What word fits better than execution?

03-06-2012 , 08:04 PM

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03-06-2012 , 08:04 PM

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Defensive last-resort manslaughter.

03-06-2012 , 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by iron81

Well, the Tribune and GG articles conflict on whether Holder said this. Since the Tribune is a news organization and GG is a partisan blogger, I'm inclined to believe the Tribune.

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The Constitution’s guarantee of due process is ironclad, and it is essential – but, as a recent court decision makes clear, it does not require judicial approval before the President may use force abroad against a senior.

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Some have argued that the President is required to get permission from a federal court before taking action against a United States citizen who is a senior operational leader of al Qaeda or associated forces. This is simply not accurate. “Due process” and “judicial process” are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.

http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/sp...h-1203051.html

03-06-2012 , 08:05 PM

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My pony was mercy-executed.

03-06-2012 , 08:08 PM

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Well, the Tribune and GG articles conflict on whether Holder said this. Since the Tribune is a news organization and GG is a partisan blogger, I'm inclined to believe the Tribune.

It was my mistake reading that into what Holder said. He never claims that the US has to abide by any rules when they are executing terrorists. He also did not take any questions and refused to comment on the legal memos they use to justify this authority. It's a pretty shady administration, on the level of Bush imo.

03-06-2012 , 08:08 PM

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Defensive last-resort manslaughter.

Muslim Super Villain Justifiable Homicide Conducted by the Justice League

03-06-2012 , 08:14 PM

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It was my mistake reading that into what Holder said. He never claims that the US has to abide by any rules when they are executing terrorists.

Yeah, no:

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with Holder Monday strongly suggesting that someone like him meets three criteria for an attack with lethal force – he poses an imminent threat against the U.S, his capture is not feasible, and his slaying "would be conducted in a manner consistent with applicable law of war principles."

03-06-2012 , 08:16 PM

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Yeah, no:

Right, who reviews that?

03-06-2012 , 08:17 PM

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Capturing Bin Laden must have been feasible given the way he was killed though regardless of his being an imminent threat or not.

03-06-2012 , 08:17 PM

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Obama. That's his job as Commander in Chief.

03-06-2012 , 08:21 PM

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Obama. That's his job as Commander in Chief.

I stand by my comment that they don't have to actually abide by any rules if the one writing them, interpreting them, and enforcing them is the same person. I'm sure you'd want Rick Santorum to have this kind of power.

03-06-2012 , 08:22 PM

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What could go wrong.

03-06-2012 , 08:42 PM

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I'm sure you'd want Rick Santorum to have this kind of power.

No, I wouldn't. That's one reason I plan to vote for Obama and against the Republican nominee. But should the Republicans win, they will have this power.

03-06-2012 , 08:44 PM

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No, I wouldn't. That's one reason I plan to vote for Obama and against the Republican nominee. But should the Republicans win, they will have this power.

Sounds like a terrible plan to me.

03-06-2012 , 08:47 PM

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Sounds like a great system: hoping that the Democrats control the presidency forever.

03-06-2012 , 08:51 PM

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iron81- You never said what word would've been OK.

03-06-2012 , 08:52 PM

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I just hope Eric Holder can sleep at night after GG hurt his feelings with harsh language like that.

03-06-2012 , 09:08 PM

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iron81- You never said what word would've been OK.

Drone strike, bombing, attack

03-06-2012 , 09:33 PM

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Drone strike, bombing, attack

particle collision, energy transfer

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03-06-2012 , 09:35 PM

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Can someone explain Holder's reasoning here?

03-06-2012 , 09:44 PM

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Can someone explain Holder's reasoning here?

Obama's press secretary, strangely enough, is a long-time member here at twopustwo, and has recently made several appearances in this very thread, so with any luck, he'll address your question shortly