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Georgia's 6th - Ossof v. Handel. Georgia's 6th - Ossof v. Handel.

06-21-2017 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
I dont get it man, wouldn't people appreciate being told the ****ing truth?
Baaaaaahahahahahahhaahahhahaha

Dude, Trump LITERALLY said at a campaign event, "elect me and all your dreams will come true!" How much more blatantly could he have been lying? He's the flesh and blood version of an extremely rigged carnival game where you win, like, the batmobile if you can throw a baseball through a hole the size of a marble. You know you're never gonna win with him, but man if you do...
06-21-2017 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Baaaaaahahahahahahhaahahhahaha

Dude, Trump LITERALLY said at a campaign event, "elect me and all your dreams will come true!" How much more blatantly could he have been lying? He's the flesh and blood version of an extremely rigged carnival game where you win, like, the batmobile if you can throw a baseball through a hole the size of a marble. You know you're never gonna win with him, but man if you do...
The carnival game is better. People actually get a Batmobile sometimes. But this game of all Trump all the time is just, rape. Not locker room talk, not the kind Trump's lawyer says you can't commit against your wife. But straight up, pre-existing condition style, rape.
06-21-2017 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Right, and they have basically endless amounts of money, since for the mega rich, giving to the GOP is an investment, not a donation.
This.

I mean, we can talk about messaging, we can talk about voter dumb voter lazy blah blah blah but in the end it's still all about dat cash.

Handel spending was 2.5x that of Ossoff



https://twitter.com/mjbeckel/status/877293833096220672
06-21-2017 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I mean, we can talk about messaging, we can talk about voter dumb voter lazy blah blah blah but in the end it's still all about dat cash.
If it's really "all about dat cash", that's not a good argument against "voter dumb".
06-21-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
This.

I mean, we can talk about messaging, we can talk about voter dumb voter lazy blah blah blah but in the end it's still all about dat cash.

Handel spending was 2.5x that of Ossoff



https://twitter.com/mjbeckel/status/877293833096220672
This is a false way to look at it. Ossoff drastically outspent her at the campaign and DNC level and outspent her overall. Posting this article like that is the total amount of money spent is hilariously bad. I keep thinking you will eventually post better but it never happens instead opting to clutch for the misleading news. Here I'll try posting like you:

Ossoff's campaign spent 25 million to 3 million for Handel and they still lost! That's 8.3x more. Like always it's all about dat cash homie!

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/06...more-than-50m/

Or you could try either being honest or do your actual homework. More was spent on Ossoff when everything is considered but it isn't by much

I know you have been desperately looking for any reason to not blame Hilldawg and that wing of the party for months but it's time to face facts and devise a new strategy
06-21-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
If it's really "all about dat cash", that's not a good argument against "voter dumb".
It wasn't meant to be. They can both be true. It's just that almost all of the time the candidate who spends the most (or has the most spent on his/her behalf) wins. All the efforts at voter education and Better Messaging in the world won't change that. It's been a truism far longer than you or I have existed and will be so long after we're gone. ETA: I do think how the money is spent also matters very much, and I think that goes more to messaging in the generic sense.
06-21-2017 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
It wasn't meant to be. They can both be true. It's just that almost all of the time the candidate who spends the most (or has the most spent on his/her behalf) wins. All the efforts at voter education and Better Messaging in the world won't change that. It's been a truism far longer than you or I have existed and will be so long after we're gone.
LOL. Not true in the election in question. Wasn't true in the 2016 presidential election either. If this is really what you have learned from all this I pity you.
06-21-2017 , 09:30 AM
SC race basically ties with GA 06. SC was a harder district but a better candidate and less of an all-out push from the GOP. Sometimes a frontal assault isn't the best option, though was pretty much inevitable in GA.

Also, dems won their special elections before the 2010 bloodbath, and we have 18 more months of Trump being a disgrace and GOP voters aging out of mortality.

I really don't think the Senate will pass a HC bill at this stage, though a full "repeal and replace" would probably be the best course for dems in 2018.
06-21-2017 , 09:33 AM
Here is the NYT summary of spending on this race. Total tally is 32m for Ossoff and 20m for Handel. Just so none of you guys fall for Namath's Hannity level spin job

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-election.html
06-21-2017 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
It's kind of odd that we're trying to learn lessons from the "success" of Corbyn's campaign (lost narrowly, improved massively on prior results) that apply to the "failure" of Ossoff's campaign (lost narrowly, improved massively on prior results). It's the same outcome!
06-21-2017 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Whats more simple than "You will lose job, I will help you get new job, for free."
keep your current job. and heres a pony.
06-21-2017 , 09:52 AM
Hello Friends,

While last night was a disappointment, we should not give up hope on the Resistance movement! The Resistance was able to take district that has voted Republican for nearly 40 years (usually by 30+ points, 23 points just a few months ago) and make it a 4 point race!

People are waking up! And when the educated people of this district realize who they voted for last night, I have a feeling this district will flip in 2018!

-O
06-21-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
It's kind of odd that we're trying to learn lessons from the "success" of Corbyn's campaign (lost narrowly, improved massively on prior results) that apply to the "failure" of Ossoff's campaign (lost narrowly, improved massively on prior results). It's the same outcome!
This is a bad take because the UK election resulted in the Tories having much less power and Labour having more.
06-21-2017 , 10:21 AM
The main lesson there is to make sure that all the districts are being contested. It would be pretty hard for Ossoff to swing the house no matter how he ran his campaign.
06-21-2017 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
The main lesson there is to make sure that all the districts are being contested. It would be pretty hard for Ossoff to swing the house no matter how he ran his campaign.
This was Nate's conclusion as well.
06-21-2017 , 10:29 AM
Do Dems have enough of a war chest to contest all the districts, such that it sucks dry the republican war chest?

Can Dems counteract voter purges at a large enough scale to win some of these close districts?
06-21-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
It wasn't meant to be. They can both be true. It's just that almost all of the time the candidate who spends the most (or has the most spent on his/her behalf) wins. All the efforts at voter education and Better Messaging in the world won't change that. It's been a truism far longer than you or I have existed and will be so long after we're gone. ETA: I do think how the money is spent also matters very much, and I think that goes more to messaging in the generic sense.
Spending more didn't help Jeb when he was up against Trump.
06-21-2017 , 10:33 AM
I wonder if primaries are different than general elections in any meaningful way?
06-21-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
Spending more didn't help Jeb when he was up against Trump.
That is true. My point is that spending is usually indicative of electoral success, and we've seen that play out time and time again. It's why people like Soros & the Kochs do it. (Well one of the reasons anyway)
06-21-2017 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
This was Nate's conclusion as well.
More fundamentally, these are all elections that are being fought in safe GOP seats. SC-05 was GOP +20 less than a year ago. GA-06 was GOP +23. An 19-point swing against the GOP in 7 months is a really nice result, arguably better than Corbyn outperforming largely self-generated low expectations.
06-21-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
That is true. My point is that spending is usually indicative of electoral success, and we've seen that play out time and time again. It's why people like Soros & the Kochs do it. (Well one of the reasons anyway)
jeb mailed out thousands of mini dvd players with screens built in that had a documentary about him pre-loaded into it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeb-bush...ary-about-jeb/

dude was just torching that 100 milly
06-21-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
I wonder if primaries are different than general elections in any meaningful way?
I don't know. But overall I think as time goes on and communications become easier and people watch less regular tv and listen to less radio spending on elections will be less and less of a factor.
06-21-2017 , 11:03 AM
Post from a friend on FB. He went to Harvard law school as a conservative but is now pretty far left.

[John Smith]
10 hrs ·
I went to middle school and high school in Georgia's 6th District and my parents still lived there for at least a decade after that. Our nextdoor neighbors, who were educated, intelligent, professional people, boycotted French wine in 2003 because France opposed the unilateral invasion of Iraq. I never doubted that a milquetoast liberal empty suit would lose this election, and I was sadly correct.
06-21-2017 , 11:10 AM
Every ****ing dip**** lanyard dick Dem thinks educated Republicans are Ainsley Hayes, but they are actually all Ted Cruz.
06-21-2017 , 11:11 AM
Also notice that Handel attacked Ossoff for national ****ing fundraising. There's no attack that won't be made, and their own voters will never punish them for hypocrisy(literally every GOP candidate, down to literal student council races at large universities, relies on dark money billionaires).

You have to ****ing sell a message and let the bull**** be bull****.

****ing Maty Glesias gets it, as the article linked last page shows.

      
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