Food Stamps Are Out of Control. - Page 9 - Politics and Economics

Riverman · 06-20-2012, 02:20 PM

And talk about goal post shifting, like 10 people in this thread went straight to ZOMG YOU OPPOSE HELPING POOR PEOPLE GET FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

NMcNasty · 06-20-2012, 02:21 PM

Cards make more sense than actual stamps. The cost of printing stamps is higher than a small piece of plastic, and there's the problem of paying out change.

Being allowed to withdraw or transfer funds seems like a programming problem.

zikzak · 06-20-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by krmont22

Has anyone actually starved to death in the USA in the past 4 years?

1 malnutrition death per 100,000 people a year in USA#1, according to the CDC.

Country Roads · 06-20-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LirvA

Yes there is.

a. private citizen robs you to feed family - not ok
b. government steals from you to feed people - ok

It's a complete contradiction. Why is b ok but a is not? Why do you allow people in the government to be higher class and get away with **** regular citizens cannot?

because b is done by a 3rd party. no one has to get their hands dirty. also, social contract.

NMcNasty · 06-20-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LirvA

Yes there is.

a. private citizen robs you to feed family - not ok
b. government steals from you to feed people - ok

It's a complete contradiction. Why is b ok but a is not? Why do you allow people in the government to be higher class and get away with **** regular citizens cannot?

I think there's a taxes = theft thread already so not going into this in depth, but the short answer is that one of the two is expected and agreed on by the majority (or at least the majority's elected representatives).

LirvA · 06-20-2012, 02:25 PM

The social contract is complete nonsense. In order for a contract to be valid, it his to be voluntarily agreed upon. Otherwise it's not a contract, it's coercion.

So I want to steal from you, but I won't do it myself. I'll hire some gangsters to do it and it's all ok then, right?

suzzer99 · 06-20-2012, 02:26 PM

Food stamp funds may be reduced

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WASHINGTON — With 1 in 7 Americans now receiving food stamps, Republicans in Congress are leading efforts to cut back the social safety net program that has swelled to one of the largest in the federal government — and they are getting some support from Democrats.

The farm bill being debated in the Senate reduces funding for food stamps and is finding support from both sides of the aisle as lawmakers look for ways to cut the nation's rising debt in an election year.

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An estimated 45 million Americans received food stamps in 2011 — more than ever, at a cost of $78 billion. That was a sizable increase from 2007, when 26 million Americans received food assistance at a cost of $30 billion, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

LirvA · 06-20-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NMcNasty

I think there's a taxes = theft thread already so not going into this in depth, but the short answer is that one of the two is expected and agreed on by the majority (or at least the majority's elected representatives).

Yeah see, minorities rights are supposed to be respected, not trampled upon. Just because "the majority" vote or agree on something, doesn't make it right.

LetsGambool · 06-20-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LirvA

The social contract is complete nonsense. In order for a contract to be valid, it his to be voluntarily agreed upon. Otherwise it's not a contract, it's coercion.

So I want to steal from you, but I won't do it myself. I'll hire some gangsters to do it and it's all ok then, right?

Taking Ron Paul voting tallies as a rough proxy, 95% of the country wants some sort of social contract.

I guess Id be for some way for people to opt-out of the system (i.e., dont pay taxes, but then pay ala-carte whatever the market will bear for defense services, roads, emergency services, etc) I wouldnt be against that.

spike420211 · 06-20-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NMcNasty

When you guys watched Robin Hood when you were little did you just sit there with your arms crossed steaming mad?

umm, no.
But remember, 4 my generation, it was the introduction to the concept of ghey d00ds.

FlyWf · 06-20-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Yeah you know me, always taking those conservative chain emails at face value. When will I ever learn?

Again, I don't care what sort of compensation package gets negotiated by other people. I assume they do care and so made a reasonable tradeoff. If instead of the plastic surgery rider, if the teachers union had just gotten an equivalent cash raise, would you be angry? Would you even know that Buffalo teachers make 54k instead of 52k?

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So Fly is there any level of expansion of food stamps that you'd be opposed to? How about if we just gave them to everyone, do you think that would be a bad idea? Or do you think the level we're at right now is just about perfect?

Nice goal post shift. You and Riverman are both real angry ITT, but you're both really thin on the providing links to actual data on the "abuses" you're angry about. Because it's all anecdotes and shaking your fist at clouds. Hamburgers! They use cards instead of stamps! BIG NUMBERS!

So I have no idea what exactly you guys want. I'm not disagreeing with you so much as I'm confused by how furious you are about problems you apparently can't articulate with any specificity.

FlyWf · 06-20-2012, 02:37 PM

To put it another way, I don't know a lot about the food stamp program(thinly veiled brag?), but reading this thread fails pretty badly at convincing me there are serious problems with it.

Riverman · 06-20-2012, 02:38 PM

Dude you don't think any spending nominally directed at poor or middle class people is a problem, ever. You have a credibility problem.

FlyWf · 06-20-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by USC Cheats

Dude you don't think any spending nominally directed at poor or middle class people is a problem, ever. You have a credibility problem.

Again, not seeing a lot of specifics or data being provided in this post.

Your opinion on my "credibility" problem, equally well supported, is noted.

2/325Falcon · 06-20-2012, 02:43 PM

Fly just thinks being mad at food stamps is racist obv.