Some foods are more forms of entertainment than they are sustenance. I'm morally fine with the govt redistributing wealth for sustenance but not for entertainment. I'm perfectly OK with burger patties and ground beef being available under foodstamps.

From the article:

$400 a month for poor people to spend at their discretion. Sounds like a potential cause for mild concern. Hardly a source of outrage imo.

Yeah there's a lot of crazy **** floating around. For some reason a lot of people think it's ok for the government to do things they find immoral. Most people don't steal from other people, most people don't kidnap people and lock them in a cage, most people don't go around murdering people. Most people are moral. But for some odd reason, it's ok for the government to do those things.

Must be something in the water. :shrug:

It's possible to be completely for food stamps for temporary cases like yours, and families with kids that are literally going to go hungry w/o them -- while still admitting that the current system is out of control.

We're simultaneously making it easier than ever to get food stamps, disapproving any kind of common-sense measures like limiting people in $million houses from getting them, actively promoting them to not just the poor but low-income people, expanding greatly the number of places they can be used and actively promoting that, removing any stigma associated with their use (which some would argue is a necessary evil to prevent abuse) and making it very easy to be on them for life. This is a function of the agriculture/grocery/and now fast food industry, combined with democrats who benefit from the handouts.

I am a ****ing liberal and I can admit this. Ok republicans, your turn to admit your party is completely full of **** wrt UHC. Gogogogog

quick googling shows 1-2% outright fraud and about 4% in overpayments (mainly the governments fault). So about 3.5 to 4.5B is waste or fraud a year, or .1% of the total budget.

And if it were individual citizens robbing you???

The numbers I just pulled out of my ass say that food stamps generate an aggregate net gain in GDP of 3.27% over 12 years, and that 2.3 billion of this is used to fund ongoing communications with extraterrestrials that began shortly after the Roswell crash. The rest is used to buy Twinkies.

Go ahead, prove me wrong.

YEah I never quoted someone saying that though. I quoted lIrv. All I can find is that 2% of cases are fraudulent and most welfare fraud is caused by vendors.

So we need more regulations on the poor like making sure they are buying lettuce and stuff. As far as the vendors, they probably would steal less if there were less regulations and stuff. Let's give them some tax breaks too while we're at it.

Thank you, sir!

Then I'm not OK with it, there's no contradiction here.

I do not know what you are saying. I think it is a joke, but I honestly do not know.

I think food stamps were fine the way they were - harder to apply for and get, not actively promoted to pepple and advertised by stores, you had to use actual stamps instead of an EBT card that looks like a credit card, you could only use them at major grocery stores. If you're a healthy working age adult they should be temporary.

See will's post. That is how you make your case using numbers and data.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1919

The (excellent) OOT thread krmont linked to reminded me of this.

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