Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by Case Closed
They are not luckier than me. Most of the people who are better off are better off because they made it their goal or because they are extremely talented..
or they inherited it, or they started out in families that were better off wealth-wise.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by einbert
I also disagree with Ron Burgundy completely. Taxation on rich people is about them paying their fair share for the trillions we spend on military spending, that primarily benefits the rich.
yes, "fair share" is the terminology they like to use. It makes it sound altruistic and democratic. But if you listen to most socialists when specific tax issues are discussed, their interpretation of "fair share" when it comes to wealthy people is "we should take as much as we can from them, because they don't need it."
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by JonnyA
I don't think military spending really benefits the rich (or anyone for that matter other than defense companies). The rich benefit from a stable country, but I'm not sure how the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan make the country any more stable.
wow, really? if the lower classes revolt you don't think our military will intervene? The police already intervene.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy
yes, "fair share" is the terminology they like to use. It makes it sound altruistic and democratic. But if you listen to most socialists when specific tax issues are discussed, their interpretation of "fair share" when it comes to wealthy people is "we should take as much as we can from them, because they don't need it."
You mean that's what you hear. That's not what they say. Do you realize what fair share means? if you really think that's the interpretation, I guess you don't.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
Rich people are significantly more valuable as human beings and just better than poor people in general, so they should have to pay more for military protection. No one would even want to hurt a poor person, so they don't have to pay.
yes, "fair share" is the terminology they like to use. It makes it sound altruistic and democratic. But if you listen to most socialists when specific tax issues are discussed, their interpretation of "fair share" when it comes to wealthy people is "we should take as much as we can from them, because they don't need it."
Why are you saying "they"? He's talking directly to you.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by bernie
wow, really? if the lower classes revolt you don't think our military will intervene? The police already intervene.
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I don't think we are anywhere near the point where the military will be needed to crush a revolt by the lower classes. Do you really think that our military spending is an any way keeping the lower class from revolting?
Yes, the rich need the police, courts, etc. so that they can get and stay rich, but military spending doesn't really benefit them.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Well there are 300 million non billionaires in America and only a couple hundred billionaires for starters. Generally you stay in business by satisfying millions of people, not screwing over millions of people.
What? It wouldn't be screwing over millions of people it would be screwing over one person in this case, while pleasing a increasingly giant company with a huge group of business/financial backers and now a even bigger group of shareholders that would be plenty happy with saverin getting a tiny piece instead of the multi billion dollar one he got.
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Btw how would our monopoly government courts tend to decide in cases of broke kid versus billionaire?
While saverin was only relatively broke, it's hard to imagine him getting a better deal than he got, so he did incredibly well thanks to the US court system. I think it's a good bet that in the more "pro-business" countries of world he would have been -EV compared to the deal he got here.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy
yes, "fair share" is the terminology they like to use. It makes it sound altruistic and democratic. But if you listen to most socialists when specific tax issues are discussed, their interpretation of "fair share" when it comes to wealthy people is "we should take as much as we can from them, because they don't need it."
I have to completely disagree with this. One of the reasons we (socialists) are pushing for higher tax rates for the wealthy is because they are paying the lowest rates since the federal income tax was instituted, even lower than under Reagan.
I also don't believe we should raise the long term capital gains tax, because we do need investors to stimulate the economy. However there is a lot of evidence that more wealth going to the middle class will stimulate the economy more than just giving more, more, more to the rich.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by JonnyA
I don't think we are anywhere near the point where the military will be needed to crush a revolt by the lower classes. Do you really think that our military spending is an any way keeping the lower class from revolting?
Yes, the rich need the police, courts, etc. so that they can get and stay rich, but military spending doesn't really benefit them.
Our military goes into places to access & control resources by force. These resources are used by companies owned by the rich. Many gov't military contracts benefit the rich. yes, the rich definitely benefit from the military. For more homeland stuff, see employments of the National Guard in US events such as riots and disasters.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by einbert
I have to completely disagree with this. One of the reasons we (socialists) are pushing for higher tax rates for the wealthy is because they are paying the lowest rates since the federal income tax was instituted, even lower than under Reagan.
I also don't believe we should raise the long term capital gains tax, because we do need investors to stimulate the economy. However there is a lot of evidence that more wealth going to the middle class will stimulate the economy more than just giving more, more, more to the rich.
don't agree with the bolded. Investors stimulated the economy in the past with higher taxes overall, including higher cap gains taxes(which is how many bonuses are now paid out instead of actual income. This is why raising income taxes alone won't do it as they'll just transfer that much more income into cap gains categories). Since those taxes have been cut, investors haven't stimulated the economy, even though they've been posting record profits.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
You might not like it, but the world competes for talent just as sports teams do. For a very long time, America has been one of the places where smart people want to come. Ok, Eduwardo might not be one of those smart people. He might have just been in the right place at the right time. But the point remains. When CEOs of Coke make comments like "China is more free than the USA", we should pay them heavy consideration instead of just assuming every successful person is Mr. Burns stroking a cat in his secret evil lair.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by bernie
don't agree with the bolded. Investors stimulated the economy in the past with higher taxes overall, including higher cap gains taxes(which is how many bonuses are now paid out instead of actual income. This is why raising income taxes alone won't do it as they'll just transfer that much more income into cap gains categories). Since those taxes have been cut, investors haven't stimulated the economy, even though they've been posting record profits.
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Capital gains taxes do not account for inflation. Something to consider. You might be really disincentivizing living and investing in the USA.
Re: Facebook Co-Founder Renounces Citizenship Prior to IPO; Haters are Perturbed
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Originally Posted by SaltyPickles
You might not like it, but the world competes for talent just as sports teams do. For a very long time, America has been one of the places where smart people want to come. Ok, Eduwardo might not be one of those smart people. He might have just been in the right place at the right time. But the point remains. When CEOs of Coke make comments like "China is more free than the USA", we should pay them heavy consideration instead of just assuming every successful person is Mr. Burns stroking a cat in his secret evil lair.
China would not let a citizen renounce and move to Singapore. You have to live in a free country to be able to do that.