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Explosion at the Boston Marathon (NSFW Graphic Images): Waltham Murders Tied, 3rd Supect Dead Explosion at the Boston Marathon (NSFW Graphic Images): Waltham Murders Tied, 3rd Supect Dead

04-18-2013 , 01:10 AM
jfc
04-18-2013 , 01:15 AM
If this explosion in Texas is what it appears to be (a tragic accident), let's have everyone take their comments to the OOT thread on the subject. If there are substantial political implications (it was actually a terrorist attack, government something something, etc.) then we can start a new thread for it, but let's leave this one for Boston.

Last edited by MrWookie; 04-18-2013 at 01:39 AM.
04-18-2013 , 01:36 AM
Thanks Wookie.

After reading stuff on Reddit/4Chan/Facebook/Twitter/etc tonight, I am much more in the camp that the internet should stay out of the identification side of this. For example, it now appears that those two guys that were linked to before are likely innocent (reports are that they found one of the dude's Facebook page, idiots reposted it, and the guy wrote a message on FB freaking out and saying he would go down to the courthouse to clear his name).

Media outlets have also picked up on some of the people speculated about on 4Chan/Reddit and they are confusing the story even more. I've seen other just horrible posts on Facebook and Twitter to the effect of "this is the bomber!!! do you know this man?!?!"

Some really irresponsible stuff out there.
04-18-2013 , 02:13 AM
I can already hear religious nutjobs proclaiming that now, finally, the apocalypse is coming.
04-18-2013 , 02:14 AM
it's been an weird week.
04-18-2013 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake (The Snake)
Thanks Wookie.

After reading stuff on Reddit/4Chan/Facebook/Twitter/etc tonight, I am much more in the camp that the internet should stay out of the identification side of this. For example, it now appears that those two guys that were linked to before are likely innocent (reports are that they found one of the dude's Facebook page, idiots reposted it, and the guy wrote a message on FB freaking out and saying he would go down to the courthouse to clear his name).

Media outlets have also picked up on some of the people speculated about on 4Chan/Reddit and they are confusing the story even more. I've seen other just horrible posts on Facebook and Twitter to the effect of "this is the bomber!!! do you know this man?!?!"

Some really irresponsible stuff out there.
Speed bump on the way to a brave new world. Everyone is a: photographer, filmmaker, journalist, commentator, and soon everyone will be a detective. Don't ask me if this is a good thing cause I don't know.
04-18-2013 , 03:18 AM
So if the cops really have caught the bombers, what kind of charges will they be facing? A little Google research reveals capital punishment is illegal in Massachusetts, but will they be charged under federal anti-terrorism laws or something?
04-18-2013 , 03:24 AM
There are a bunch of federal charges whoever did this will face, specifically things like 'Detonating a weapon of mass destruction'.
04-18-2013 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Speed bump on the way to a brave new world. Everyone is a: photographer, filmmaker, journalist, commentator, and soon everyone will be a detective. Don't ask me if this is a good thing cause I don't know.
Amateurs pretending to be professionals almost never leads to something good....
04-18-2013 , 07:23 AM
Susan Candiotti on CNN saying the guys in the pics being circulated by the Feds have a black backpack and a duffel bag. She said she has seen the photos. The description of the bags fit the description of the guys mentioned in the Reddit pics.

Really don't know what to believe coming from the Media right now considering everything.

Last edited by Bdidd; 04-18-2013 at 07:38 AM. Reason: NY Post also now running a story using the photos of the two Reddit guys.
04-18-2013 , 07:53 AM
I have never read, or had even heard of, the NY Post prior to reading this thread, but given what I know about them from you guys, them running a story about the reddit images, pretty much is acquitting the two guys right there on the spot.
04-18-2013 , 07:57 AM
One way or another the people who worked the UB/AP fiasco from 2p2 were poker professionals. They were very good at what they did... This differentiates them from random people on Reddit. Also they weren't investigating a terrorist attack.
04-18-2013 , 07:58 AM
Holy crap the picture of the apartment building is insane how close was it to the plant, I would have assumed any sort of fertilizer plant/refinery/other risky factory would usually have a bit of a buffer area around it?
04-18-2013 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
One way or another the people who worked the UB/AP fiasco from 2p2 were poker professionals. They were very good at what they did... This differentiates them from random people on Reddit. Also they weren't investigating a terrorist attack.
Sums it up perfectly.
04-18-2013 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake (The Snake)
Thanks Wookie.

After reading stuff on Reddit/4Chan/Facebook/Twitter/etc tonight, I am much more in the camp that the internet should stay out of the identification side of this. For example, it now appears that those two guys that were linked to before are likely innocent (reports are that they found one of the dude's Facebook page, idiots reposted it, and the guy wrote a message on FB freaking out and saying he would go down to the courthouse to clear his name).

Media outlets have also picked up on some of the people speculated about on 4Chan/Reddit and they are confusing the story even more. I've seen other just horrible posts on Facebook and Twitter to the effect of "this is the bomber!!! do you know this man?!?!"

Some really irresponsible stuff out there.
I'm in the camp that these forums hit it out of the park. I see nothing wrong with pondering the "ifs". When you see these long threads on reputable forums, 99 times out of 100 they reach the truth. Look at all the hustles and scams "some very complex" this forum busts wide open until the truth is reached.

I also think this type of event is so rare that we shouldn't even bother pondering whether it should be allowed or whether it's irresponsible.
04-18-2013 , 10:17 AM
There is a pretty big difference between issues like "I think 2 guys colluded on a poker site" which very few in the real world cares about, and a terrorist attack that gets the full attention from the authorities.

The police have access to all the pictures from Boston and a lot of additional information so they probably don't need that investigative help, so the 4chan detective squad does no good in solving the crime but can easily create a whole lot of trouble for people who gets unfairly singled out just because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
04-18-2013 , 10:32 AM
someone explain what the point of this is?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/slideshows/...allery=y&img=3
04-18-2013 , 10:36 AM
Security Theater
04-18-2013 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
someone explain what the point of this is?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/slideshows/...allery=y&img=3
Maybe investigating on behalf of any Brit citizen affected by the blast?
04-18-2013 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake (The Snake)
Thanks Wookie.

After reading stuff on Reddit/4Chan/Facebook/Twitter/etc tonight, I am much more in the camp that the internet should stay out of the identification side of this. For example, it now appears that those two guys that were linked to before are likely innocent (reports are that they found one of the dude's Facebook page, idiots reposted it, and the guy wrote a message on FB freaking out and saying he would go down to the courthouse to clear his name).

Media outlets have also picked up on some of the people speculated about on 4Chan/Reddit and they are confusing the story even more. I've seen other just horrible posts on Facebook and Twitter to the effect of "this is the bomber!!! do you know this man?!?!"

Some really irresponsible stuff out there.
Nobody should use reedit ever.. It makes normal people think you might be a moran.
04-18-2013 , 11:00 AM
Internet Comes Up With 8.5 Million Leads On Potential Boston Bombing Suspect

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WASHINGTON—In the wake of Monday’s terrorist bombing at the Boston Marathon, sources reported today the internet had come up with approximately 8.5 million leads on who might have committed the deadly terrorist attack.
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Among the 8.5 million leads that have been reported by internet users this week are the theory that the attack was carried out by a Saudi national currently in the hospital, along with suggestions that the Saudi national is actually aiding police with the investigation, and still other speculations that there is so Saudi national at all and that it was either an American right-wing extremist or an American left-wing extremist.

Additional investigations by internet users have found that the attack was committed by either a lone attacker, a right-wing militia, a single Islamic jihadist, a consortium of Islamic fundamentalist groups, the U.S. Federal Reserve, North Korea, the Boston Police Department, the anti-gun lobby, the pro-gun lobby, or the marathon’s organizers.
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Despite some contradictory findings, several internet users have also yet to fully rule out theories claiming the victims of the attack were merely actors hired to participate in an elaborate event staged by the government.

“If they planned Sandy Hook, which they did, then they planned this one, too,” read a Facebook comment from Sarah Lochstein, elucidating a theory based on high-resolution photos from the scene, eyewitness testimony, short clips of FBI statements in news articles, and her own reporting from extensive video rants posted on her YouTube channel at 1 a.m. Tuesday. “This whole country is going to ****ing **** and Obama’s taking us down with it.”

“It is time the people are exposed to who their leader really is,” Lochstein said, in a separate report a half hour later.
04-18-2013 , 11:04 AM
So what is the recourse against the NY Post if they ID'd the wrong suspects on their front page today?
04-18-2013 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
So what is the recourse against the NY Post if they ID'd the wrong suspects on their front page today?
Basically nothing. Their 'anonymous sources' said the guys were 'suspected'; given that the FBI maybe have even glanced at their picture in some capacity at some point, going to the extent of proving libel that the guys were never suspected would be incredibly difficult.

They could face consequences from the rabid right-wing tabloid newspaper audience hurting their circulation by not buying papers, since putting incredibly spurious reports on their front pages framing Arab-ish looking guys as guilty with very little evidence might have that kind of effect for normal consumers of news, but I mean, that's a feature to the NY Post audience, not a bug.

Last edited by DVaut1; 04-18-2013 at 11:19 AM.
04-18-2013 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Bill Hemmer on fox news just reported that he saw pics of the two people FBI are looking for. They match the description including color of clothing of individuals posted earlier:

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Originally Posted by 74Offsuit
Boston News saying that the police would like to talk to these chaps.

There are in tons of photos. In this one, the finish isn't even set up. Be crazy to hang around that long, they are probably just sports fans. Be ****ting themselves when they see the news :/
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Originally Posted by Jake (The Snake)
Better article that says the same thing:

http://gawker.com/5994955/

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The Post’s ‘Person of Interest’ Is a Local High-School Track Runner
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"BAG MEN," the New York Post's front cover brays this morning, underneath a photo of two Boston Marathon spectators. "Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon." After its embarrassing performance on Monday in the aftermath of the marathon bombings, has the Post redeemed itself by scooping the first, much-discussed photos of the suspects?

No. As CBS' John Miller reports, neither man is likely to be a suspect in the bombings, and these are not the pictures of the possible suspects that authorities plan on releasing. But I didn't need John Miller to tell me that— the "persons of interest" in the photos are two local kids who had already been checked out by Reddit and other message-board "crowd-sleuthing" efforts yesterday, and found to be a incredibly unlikely suspects.
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All they had to do was find his Facebook. I was able to do it pretty quickly: He's a Moroccan-American kid, a local high-school soccer player and track runner (possibly he and his friend's track outfits could have been a tipoff that they were actually interested in the race?) who works at Subway and likes How High and The Hunger Games. On Monday, he took a couple of geekily enthusiastic photos of himself at the marathon.
On his Facebook page, the kid said he went down to the authorities to clear his name - nice work internet/right wing tabloids! Some high school runner has to go clear his name with the cops and get defamed by the Post for being Arab looking and holding a bag.

      
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