I guess it's also possible that the death penalty isn't sought because of his age, or a sympathetic jury doesn't vote for death because he has a baby-face and is so young.

I hope those of you that wanted to catch him alive so you could get "answers" are actually willing to listen to them. But it most likely will be ignored and it would have been better off if they just found him bled to death.

lol that miranda thing is like the smallest plot hole in Dexter history

Yeah, that's the vibe I get from most "Hope they catch him alive" folks.

But it's the one plot hole that is applicable to the discussion in this thread. Whenever Joker Zangief slaughters a man in broad daylight on a shooting range and gets away with it, feel free to point out that the same thing happened on Dexter. I have a feeling that's not going to happen, though.

I once arrested a drunk driver who felt certain that he was going to get off because I failed to Mirandize him.

He was so adamant about this that he demanded I write a statement stating I didn't. So I wrote a time stamped, dated statement that said "On above date & approximate time, Joe Drunk was arrested by me, Deputy DBJ at approximately mile marker 29 Eastbound on I-20. At no time was he given a Miranda warning." And had it notarized by a receptionist. His attorney met me outside the court room and said "I just wanted to meet you and shake your hand. I want you to know I have taken your 'statement' and had it framed and placed it in the breakroom at my office. It's spread like wildfire and all my colleagues and I have found it hilarious!"

My rough impressions is the older one definitely seemed like the bigger dick by a large margin. The younger one seemed more like an easily influenced weak-minded follower who happened to follow the wrong idiot (his brother). Which is why so many people are claiming he's a decent guy, nice, etc..., and why the carnage seemed to stop after his brother died. This in no way condones his actions and he certainly has a price to pay for it, but it seems like he is certainly less of a threat to society than his older brother. Very similar to the DC sniper case, except I cut that kid a lot more slack than the bomber guy. I'd like to think this guy can atone for what he has done wrong and realize the mistakes he made. The older brother seems much more evil, while this guy seems more influenced and along for the ride. When you have an older brother who you most likely respect and is a bit older, it's a lot easier to follow him down the path of wrong. He deserves severe punishment, but vengeance isn't going to help and if he is capable of some redemption, perhaps he can make up for some of the evil he has done in his life. If not, then the hell with him.

no, its not easy to be convinced to plant a bomb in a crowd of people. persuasive brother or not.

Hah, thats classic.

You know the DC sniper attack was the first thing I though of as well, with Malvo not getting the death penalty. Of course he was 17 at the time, and the death penalty was later ruled unconstitutional for his age group anyway. I'm generally against the death penalty and I work in a state that does not have it. I honestly don't know if i think this kid should be executed.

Guise LirvA obviously doesn't care about this.

jman220,

how heavily do you think the other side (angry, non-sympathetic) of public sentiment influences the outcome here? I guess it still depends what this kid has to offer in terms of info., but if the options are a plea deal for life or a DP trial where he'll still be 99.99% to get at least life, it seems like there'll be several layers of public officials that would rather have them go for DP then deal with the angry "THIS GUY GETS TO LIVE!?!" mob.

Sounds like he had a terrible lawyer.

Strange, the US manages to convince millions of young men to do just that every year. All you have to do is convince them they are fighting for good and not evil, and these things are necessary. I feel bad for those who are misled and naive and tend to blame those doing the brainwashing. Add in religious crazy and it's pretty easy to get people to do really really bad things.

Yeah, a lot of this is based on second hand interviews and speculation. It's entirely possible this kid wakes up and is "HAHA, I sure got you guys good! Death to America!" Or he could paint a tale of how he made a huge mistake and what his brother did.

Rudy Giuliani on Fox News right now saying exactly what I just posted (no reason to mirandize, can question him as long as they want and just not use it in court, they don't need a confession he already confessed to the guy he carjacked).

Based on... the fact that he understands the law?

In my experience USA's and DA's are generally insulated enough from politicians and the angry mob to make the decision based on what they think the correct outcome should be. That said, there's a ton of arguments that this should be a dp case.

Edit: That said, the USA stated last night the decision would be made by the AG, so I guess it depends on the character of Holder.

I have a feeling the kid might want to die anyway. Suicide by cop seemed to be their MO the whole time. Of course that could change over time as he breaks the spell of his older brother.

Does anyone really care if he gets life w/o parole versus death? Is this going to be up there with the "coward" debate?

Pro-life, though.

People will lose interest by the time a trial comes around; most of the interesting/relevant information will be publicized long before then.

the fact that he is joking and high fiveing the police that is on the opposing side, shouldn't he try to represent his client to the best of his abilities instead?

Thing is a lot of those misled and naive will become those doing the brainwashing.

Ford looking to profit off other peoples misery, guess that's how these psycho companies work these days

Man that ad is in really poor taste. Like it looks like one of the Onion's parodies of product placement.