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01-15-2014 , 09:14 AM
Youth unemployment in Europe peaks, the left and right wing extremistic parties get more and more admission.
Spain and Greece currently having more than 50% of youth unemployment, and half a dozen other contries have more than 30%. Germany is massively manipulating it's numbers beyond anything even remotely believable.

In Hamburg, the police decided to declare certain areas as danger zones, without any political decision being made, allowing them to felt anyone without any reason. Hence why there have been several demonstrations/excesses the last weeks, with stones and bottles being thrown at the police, who relied on water canons to answer. The smell of burning christmas trees still hanging around.

What the police is doing in Hamburg is basically the same that the NSA is doing worldwide, just in real life.
People try to harm them with good grace. Finally someone to punish physically, instead of just moaning on the internet.

Constant shameless speculating against the €, bringing many weaker countries of the EU to the edge of chaos, or beyond, does not lack results.

The only winner is the german arms industry, which massively profits of a weak € by exporting exponentially more arms to Saudi Arabia, South Africa, and basically all around the world.





Last edited by Paralimbic; 01-15-2014 at 09:21 AM.
01-15-2014 , 10:17 AM
You got a source on manipulation of German unemployment rates? Didn't hear about that before.
01-15-2014 , 11:02 AM
- People out of work are constantly put in utterly useless employment-creation measures, which are proven to have zero positive influence, except that they are not counted as unemployeed...
- Others, who have some mini-job, while they still mainly being depend on state-support also don't count, etc etc...
- People working in 1€/hour jobs...
- Etc etc....

All of those don't count as unemployeed.
Billions are wasted for those useless irrational measures. It's general broad agreement, even by most of the people who are employeed by the state, those who put people in those measures.

German link:
http://www.deutsche-mittelstands-nac...2012/02/38739/

Another german link about how the USA is doing this even worse:
http://www.deutsche-mittelstands-nac...2012/02/37496/

Last edited by Paralimbic; 01-15-2014 at 11:16 AM.
01-15-2014 , 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paralimbic

Constant shameless speculating against the €, bringing many weaker countries of the EU to the edge of chaos, or beyond, does not lack results.
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Looks to me like the Euro is appreciating against the dollar for the last year. It is getting stronger.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EURU...sic+Chart&t=5y
01-15-2014 , 11:06 AM
Thats a greek flag in the first picture, and while I'm not entirely familiar with European police, I'm pretty sure if it was actually in Germany the writing on the shield would be 'polizei'
01-15-2014 , 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paralimbic
- People out of work are constantly put in utterly useless employment-creation measures, which are proven to have zero positive influence, except that they are not counted as unemployeed...
- Others, who have some mini-job, while they still mainly being depend on state-support also don't count, etc etc...
- People working in 1€/hour jobs...
- Etc etc....

All of those don't count as unemployeed.
Billions are wasted for those useless irrational measures. It's general broad agreement, even by most of the people who are employeed by the state, those who put people in those measures.

German link:
http://www.deutsche-mittelstands-nac...2012/02/38739/
All countries that are not literally bankrupt do that.

Spain and Greece are ****ed for many reasons completely unrelated to being European. In fact they would be even worse off because Germany wouldnt be propping them up to protect their own currency.
01-15-2014 , 11:21 AM
You sure that is just not a picture after the Canuck's lost at hockey or the Heat winning a championship?

I think Europe is just over socialized. 6 weeks holidays, massive unemployment programs, unfunded pensions (though that is an issue here also)
01-15-2014 , 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremen
Thats a greek flag in the first picture, and while I'm not entirely familiar with European police, I'm pretty sure if it was actually in Germany the writing on the shield would be 'polizei'
Yes?!?
I didnt say that it was a german pic anywhere, so what do you want to say with your post?

Here some pics with the german Polizei:





Last edited by Paralimbic; 01-15-2014 at 11:42 AM.
01-15-2014 , 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lozen
You sure that is just not a picture after the Canuck's lost at hockey or the Heat winning a championship?

I think Europe is just over socialized. 6 weeks holidays, massive unemployment programs, unfunded pensions (though that is an issue here also)
I fully agree, especially with the bolded part.

Though, 6 weeks holidays is incorrect. Average is 24 days.
(Source= FAZ 2013, reputable newspaper, like NY times)


USA just 12 days on average? Ayayay

Last edited by Paralimbic; 01-15-2014 at 11:39 AM. Reason: France has 30 days on avg
01-15-2014 , 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paralimbic
Yes?!?
I didnt say that it was a german pic anywhere, so what do you want to say with your post?
Well if you're going to talk about protests in Hamburg and then post unrelated pictures it undermines your credibility.

Not that the rambling incoherent mess made any sense to begin with.

You complain about Germany manipulating unemployment numbers. The same issues are present in the US where we play games with the precise definition of unemployed. I'd be shocked if other countries don't do the same.

You spend two paragraphs talking about protests in Hamburg without giving any context on what exactly is going on there. Just some meaningless comparison between the German police and the NSA which makes no sense to me.

You complain of shameless speculating against the €. I assume you mean speculating against sovereign debt because the € is actually gaining value recently. In which case I wonder what solution you want? Do you want to force people to buy the debt of peripheral nations? Such schemes don't generally work very well.

You finish off with a shot at the German arms industry which is actually harmed by the appreciating €, and is nowhere near the US/Russia and trails China and even Ukraine (as of 2012). Actually in total sales Germany is closer to bailed out Spain than China. So, um... whats your point?
01-15-2014 , 01:17 PM
cliffs: USA#1
01-15-2014 , 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremen
Well if you're going to talk about protests in Hamburg and then post unrelated pictures it undermines your credibility.

No, you are obviously lacking credibility due to your extremely pretentious laughable post that I am now going to comment. If you are not pretentious, you lack intellect/literacy, and there is nothing in between

Not that the rambling incoherent mess made any sense to begin with.

Okay, get 'em up, you blatant candy-ass!

You complain about Germany manipulating unemployment numbers. The same issues are present in the US where we play games with the precise definition of unemployed. I'd be shocked if other countries don't do the same.

Yes, and that's what my second link said. the USA is doing this even more. You again obv fail at reading comprehension and hallucinate in order to find smth to point out in my posts. Stay tough, be real, or gtfo

You spend two paragraphs talking about protests in Hamburg without giving any context on what exactly is going on there. Just some meaningless comparison between the German police and the NSA which makes no sense to me.

Let me help you with this, in case of you not just pretending to not understanding this, which I don't believe at all, and consider to be pretty passive aggressive itself:
The NSA rapes everything that could be discribed as privacy for bogus reasons, and they don't yet get punished. The police in Hamburg is doing the same. Though, they can be reached by talk, by thrown stones etc.
I described this before, so your trolling is extremely poorly executed here.
Feel free to leave this thread, instead of being a pretentious fool.


You complain of shameless speculating against the €. I assume you mean speculating against sovereign debt because the € is actually gaining value recently.

Lately, yes. But it doesnt matter at all, since we got ****ed over years, since the € was introduced, which you mentzion with no word. You are a hypocritical fool, leaving out all important facts. Are you an active politician???


In which case I wonder what solution you want? Do you want to force people to buy the debt of peripheral nations? Such schemes don't generally work very well.

Are you serious?
We basically already did that with the eurozone bailout fund.



You finish off with a shot at the German arms industry which is actually harmed by the appreciating €, and is nowhere near the US/Russia and trails China and even Ukraine (as of 2012). Actually in total sales Germany is closer to bailed out Spain than China. So, um... whats your point?
Again, your pity attempt to deviate is ridiculous.
Since the € was introduced, there was massive speculation against it, which caused massive REAL problems for Europe, but hey.... last year € got stronger... ya, sure.
Because we bluffed back with a few hundred billion € pf theoretical money ot save the € (eurozone bailout fund), so that the USA had to take a look at their own broke ass country.

You are a slippery fool with a wild imagination, hard to get a hold of, since you always show one piece of the puzzle, and pretend to not know what the whole picture is like.
That's like cancer for a serious discussion, and every halfway intelligent reader will already have realised that.

I won't answer any more of your posts, if you keep pretending to be stupid and elute all points I make.

Feel free to disappear in this thread, Bremen.




Funny thing is, Bremen is a German Harbour-City, which basically is under full control of the Mafia. Please tell me how you came up with your nickname. I am really curious.

(Just google Miri-Clan + Bremen to see)

Last edited by Paralimbic; 01-15-2014 at 01:45 PM.
01-15-2014 , 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lozen
You sure that is just not a picture after the Canuck's lost at hockey or the Heat winning a championship?

I think Europe is just over socialized. 6 weeks holidays, massive unemployment programs, unfunded pensions (though that is an issue here also)
Err, those things are all good. Even "unfunded pensions" is a dumb talking point, they are fully funded by future taxation.
01-15-2014 , 01:55 PM
^^BS, there are not even nearly as much taxes generated to do that.
Are you all that uneducated and uninformed???
FFS, I am out of this travesty of a politics forum


Talking politics with americans is about as usefull as telling them which game is meant when saying football. Your entitlement and cockiness, combined with the massive lack of litearcy and the slippery way of dudgeing a serious conversations in every possible way is more than I can take. Your pretentious BS will cause obstipation one day, and you'll either implode or explode, without any terroristic act being involved.

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Done with Politics.

Never seen a more bastardized postzer than Bremen, pretending to not understand any of the key points, then pretending to not knowing anything about the theme he brought up himself. Seriously,... idiot!

Sorry, I am not on your level of communicating, and I will never drop down to that.
As already said, you are either massively stupid, or a pretentious POS trying to troll.

Never seen a bigger bastard on here.

Last edited by Paralimbic; 01-15-2014 at 02:02 PM.
01-15-2014 , 02:06 PM
lol Paralimbic woating up yet another thread

You won't be missed
01-15-2014 , 02:09 PM
Pretentious bunch of slippery scum.
I can not ****ing believe how ******ed you can pretend to buy, you fake-ass-bastards.

The USA won't be missed. There are reasons why you are the aim of terrorism.

Last edited by Paralimbic; 01-15-2014 at 02:14 PM.
01-15-2014 , 02:13 PM
I'm European, dummy.
01-15-2014 , 02:15 PM
^^ No difference, you idiot. (you lie, but so what)
Who cares, nobody said there are no uneducated idiots in europe.

Seriously, taxes and rent... GET A BRAIN, will never work, itzs so obvious.... please dont post in politics, if you are too dumb to get it, seriously.
Are you 16yo, or what?


Put your bait up your anus, idiot

Last edited by Paralimbic; 01-15-2014 at 02:21 PM.
01-15-2014 , 02:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paralimbic
Who cares, nobody said there are no uneducated idiots in europe.

Seriously, taxes and rent... GET A BRAIN, or dont post in politics. Are you 16yo, or what?


Put your bait up your anus, idiot
You really don't understand how pensions or taxes work if you think "unfunded liabilities" cannot be solved through reforms and tax increases.

In terms of problems facing the world it ranks well below climate change, meteorite strikes and zombies.
01-15-2014 , 02:32 PM
Well, this escalated quickly.
01-15-2014 , 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by [Phill]
You really don't understand how pensions or taxes work if you think "unfunded liabilities" cannot be solved through reforms and tax increases.

In terms of problems facing the world it ranks well below climate change, meteorite strikes and zombies.
Economists disagree.

Quote:
The National Association for Business Economics surveyed 220 of its members in July and August. The survey found that members were more concerned about the size of deficits in the next two decades than current deficits or deficits over the next 10 years: Forty-three percent of the economists named budget gaps in the 2020s and 2030s as the top fiscal challenge, compared with 37 percent who chose projected deficits over the next 10 years.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100987108

      
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