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Old 10-01-2015, 06:49 AM   #176
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You had me at "inbred corn."
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:56 AM   #177
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You had me at a midget per square mile
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:43 AM   #178
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Old 10-01-2015, 03:49 PM   #179
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Many hate this response as population gives you more innovation. But the natural state of man is 0.5 per square mile. Consider the United States as 1000 miles by 3000 miles, that is 3 million square miles or a population of 1.5 million.
WTF is the natural state of anything? If humans design an artificial superintelligence that breeds swarms of quadrillions of robots that consume entire star systems, all of that will be the natural progression of things.

Anyway, the planet isn't even nearly overpopulated. Another agricultural revolution could allow the earth to sustain hundreds of billions, if not trillions of people. There are merely local pockets of overpopulation in some poor countries, and the trend will be for fertility in those countries to decline as their economies grow. It's already declining in Bangladesh. Rich countries have very stable populations.
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Old 10-01-2015, 05:08 PM   #180
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Re: The Environment

Cowspiracy: The Sustainability Secret

This documentary is on Netflix streaming.


The World's largest environmental organizations are failing to address the single most destructive force facing the planet today. Follow the shocking, yet humorous, journey of an aspiring environmentalist, as he daringly seeks to find the real solution to the most pressing environmental issues and true path to sustainability

Livestock and their byproducts account for at least 32,000 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) per year, or 51% of all worldwide greenhouse gas emissions.
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:16 AM   #181
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WTF is the natural state of anything? If humans design an artificial superintelligence that breeds swarms of quadrillions of robots that consume entire star systems, all of that will be the natural progression of things.

Anyway, the planet isn't even nearly overpopulated. Another agricultural revolution could allow the earth to sustain hundreds of billions, if not trillions of people. There are merely local pockets of overpopulation in some poor countries, and the trend will be for fertility in those countries to decline as their economies grow. It's already declining in Bangladesh. Rich countries have very stable populations.
It is all about your definition of sustainable and overpopulated. If you only care about feeding ourselves than we can add a lot more. If you actually care about preserving the habitats of the other large animals on this planet then there are already too many of us.
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:32 AM   #182
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I'm pretty sure that environmentalists and doctors agree, for different reasons, that the average westerner eats way too much meat (especially red meat). Cutting down on that seems like a win-win.
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Old 10-03-2015, 06:38 PM   #183
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This is pretty amazing if true.
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Old 10-03-2015, 07:19 PM   #184
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I was surprised there were so little livestock compared to people.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/1...hogs-and-pigs/

There are 20 million hogs in Iowa. 8.5 million in North Carolina.

Some more amazing things about the animal food industry - dunno who all remembers the Oprah controversy and the Food disparagement laws. In that case, she and a guest were sued for making supposedly liabelous statements about the cattle industry. They won the suit.

But since then we have The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. Now you can be criminally prosecuted for saying true things about the animal-food industry if you harm their profits.

They don't need even need to prosecute people, just the threat keeps people from talking about it, and more importantly, from broadcasting or printing criticism of the animal-food industry. Also tied in with Pharmaceutical companies and animal testing. The first prosecution with this law convicted and sentenced people for
up to 6 years in prison for sending black faxes (just like it sounds, to use up their ink/toner) to a pharmaceutical company.
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Old 10-03-2015, 09:26 PM   #185
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Cowspiracy site

Leonardo DiCaprio provided the funds to finish this documentary after the initial funding was cut off.
Check most major environmental sites. Hardly any mention the problems caused by livestock.
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Old 10-03-2015, 10:11 PM   #186
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I'm pretty sure that environmentalists and doctors agree, for different reasons, that the average westerner eats way too much meat (especially red meat). Cutting down on that seems like a win-win.
I'll give up meat when someone pries it from my cold dead fingers.
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Old 10-04-2015, 05:36 AM   #187
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I'll give up meat when someone pries it from my cold dead fingers.
Your so original!
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Old 10-04-2015, 08:17 AM   #188
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Learning to eat insects would be a win. Prawns are basically sea insects and are considered delicacies. There must be easily grown insects out there that are tasty. One in Australia commonly eaten by indigenous people is the Witchetty Grub.



I've never had them. Apparently when cooked, the flavour is like slightly nutty scrambled eggs with a skin like roast chicken. That sounds pretty great. IDK if it's possible to mass produce them, but there must be something like this that could be commercialised.
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Old 10-04-2015, 01:35 PM   #189
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The world will never stop eating meat. The future is lab grown meat
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Old 10-04-2015, 01:49 PM   #190
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The world will never stop eating meat. The future is lab grown meat
There's fake meat too. It's getting better and here's a story about a new fake chicken that supposedly fooled a NYT food critic.

http://www.inquisitr.com/256392/fake...ls-out-stores/
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Old 01-15-2016, 04:24 PM   #191
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I don't know how much press this is getting outside of SoCal, but there's been a huge methane leak from an underground reservoir going on here since November. It's the largest such leak ever. 77000 metric tons of methane released so far. Despite several attempts, it has not yet been stopped.

http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...115-story.html

Of course that's small potatoes compared to the fires in Indonesia which are producing more carbon emission now (in addition to terrible particular emission and health problems) that the entire US economic activity.

http://www.wri.org/blog/2015/10/indo...ire-us-economy
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Old 01-15-2016, 04:53 PM   #192
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I don't know how much press this is getting outside of SoCal, but there's been a huge methane leak from an underground reservoir going on here since November. It's the largest such leak ever. 77000 metric tons of methane released so far. Despite several attempts, it has not yet been stopped.

http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...115-story.html

Of course that's small potatoes compared to the fires in Indonesia which are producing more carbon emission now (in addition to terrible particular emission and health problems) that the entire US economic activity.

http://www.wri.org/blog/2015/10/indo...ire-us-economy
Not surprisingly, the company has been less-than forthright with the dangers posed by the leak:
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"Apparently relying on that standard, SoCalGas originally said that benzene was found in amounts slightly higher than background levels in just two samples, both on Nov. 10. The suspect readings were 5.6 parts per billion in one gated development about a mile from the well and 3.7 parts per billion in the Porter Ranch Estates neighborhood of 1,100 homes.
"However, a more detailed look at the data by the AP and outside experts showed at least 10 other instances over seven days in November when benzene exceeded 1 part per billion.
"In its update Thursday, SoCalGas said that nearly 1,200 tests had found 14 instances where benzene exceeded 1 part per billion, including one time in December."
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Old 01-15-2016, 05:00 PM   #193
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/obama-admin...ry?id=36298745

Good news....Hopefully gov't and planning can move as fast as technology can in this arena. Would hate to see the tech ready but bureaucracy slows the process.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:39 PM   #194
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Obama declares emergency in Michigan over lead-contaminated water

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/obama-f...ater-1.3407298
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:53 PM   #195
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I'm amazed the Flint situation isn't getting more attention. Just unreal that a first-world nation does this **** to its people.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:54 PM   #196
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Hey, they were trying to cut the budget! Why do you hate freedom?
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Old 01-17-2016, 06:45 PM   #197
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Hey, they were trying to cut the budget! Why do you hate freedom?
It was a saving of less than a hundred bucks per day to not treat the water. Not per head or per capita, total.
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Old 01-17-2016, 07:15 PM   #198
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Old 01-17-2016, 07:37 PM   #199
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I'm amazed the Flint situation isn't getting more attention. Just unreal that a first-world nation does this **** to its people.
militiamen draw eyeballs.

TRUMP draws eyeballs.

a terrorist draws eyeballs.

poisoning our own people has become passÚ.

we are a first world nation that is "content" to have a not insignificant percentage of our population living under 2nd/3rd world conditions. poisoning a few more people isn't even going to register.
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:52 PM   #200
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Poor Detrotians, as if the risk of being pumped full of lead wasn't already high enough
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