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Old 07-03-2017, 07:07 PM   #1176
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Re: The Environment

That's standard and a problem with certain types of renewable based grids.
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Old 07-03-2017, 07:37 PM   #1177
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I'm not sure what that guy is saying, but there was a story out recently that CA is producing so much excess renewable energy it's having to pay neighboring states to take some so that the electricity doesn't overwhelm its energy grid or whatever.
For one thing California has overbuilt natural gas power plants because of the way in which utilities are paid. They get guarantees when they build a new power plant. In general we have a glut of power at the moment. But, the amount of supply and demand of power varies and the market responds. A few times the supply has been so much higher than demand that there has been a risk of overloading the grid. Shutting down power plants and restarting them can be wasteful and expensive. During some of those times no one else really needed power either, but Arizona could take it and shut down some production and some California utilities had to pay them to do it.

It's partly a problem because there is really too much oversupply right now, but there has to be some in order for the system to be reliable, so even in a perfectly designed system it's possible to have to pay someone to take power.
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:06 PM   #1178
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So the iceberg has broken of the Larson iceshelf. Some people probably should start praying that the rest doesnt get unstable or we are looking at up to 10cm higher sea level.
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Old 07-14-2017, 01:27 AM   #1179
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My source at Intersolar - a big solar conference that just ended in SF - is that most people in the industry feel like Trump is going to go trade war on solar panels, enacting a floor price for imported panels. Distributors are starting to hoard.
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:00 AM   #1180
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Hopefully it isn't too little too late, Solar City announced layoffs this week.
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:14 AM   #1181
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Hopefully it isn't too little too late, Solar City announced layoffs this week.
They've been laying people off for a while. I don't think that's a terrible sign in and of itself because I don't think residential solar works well at that scale and the lease is falling out of favor, but they might be looking at real problems like trade restrictions too.
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:12 PM   #1182
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If utilities where interested in solar, which doesn't seem to be the case, community solar sounded pretty promising.
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:40 PM   #1183
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The only green source of energy that can produce without discontinuity is hydroelectricity.

Every other renewable energy will require either fossil or nuclear

100% renewable will be possible once we become elite at storaging electricity. GL with that
Hydroelectricity, as in dams, has been the opposite of green though.
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Old 07-14-2017, 02:53 PM   #1184
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If utilities where interested in solar, which doesn't seem to be the case, community solar sounded pretty promising.
There's more utility solar than residential or commercial. They're very interested, but they'd like to keep it for themselves if they could.

I would love to do some community solar, but it's almost impossible to organize, sell, market, deal with the utilities, etc. The programs come and go.
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