Go to a college republican meeting and see how many are climate change deniers. Age has nothing to do with it for one tribe in America.

This post feels incomplete. Not that anyone reading in here needs it, but in case someone wanders in that might find such arguments persuasive. This argument against trusting science and scientists when making policy decisions is fundamentally flawed by recognizing how vastly more often than not high-consensus science is correct. Dismissing science based on a few extremely rare cases is unreasonable and perilous.

"I see AA cracked a few times so I fold AA to preflop aggression" is orders of magnitude more reasonable.

It's a combo and if you're selfish enough, you don't have to be old. Young wealthy anarcho-capitalist types fit that bill.

But, generally and unsurprisingly young people care more about the environment.

unless we start firing nukes at each other, this is so incredibly, incredibly unlikely

50-100 years is way off on the time scale. Everyone posting on this forum will be long dead before the **** hits the fan. However, it will happen sooner or later if we don't clean our act up, cut population growth and find clean sustainable energy.

As was the fall of every empire the world has known.

Civilization is a fine-tuned machine that feeds 7B people largely using rapidly shrinking resources. It doesn't take a huge hiccup in that system to cause complete chaos.

It's a small point, but neither selfishness nor oldness is a prerequisite for clmate change denial. Noodle hit on the right word -" tribe." The value-makers of the tribe are the selfish old dudes trying to shield their fortunes. The rank and file just follow the leaders, including parroting their arguments.

To a certain extent we do the same thing, but at least our leaders use rational methods of scientific inquiry, so a lot less likely to lead us down bad paths.

To equate climate change to other doomsayers throughout history on the pretense that they were both "scientists" is a false equivalency. Science itself is at its most advanced it's ever been, both in terms of theoretical capability, existing tools, already running experiments, loads of rigorous research over the last century that dwarfs anything existing prior. Not to mention the shear number of scientists, their education levels, the amount of peer review conducted for most of the top level work, and the confident consensus that climate change science has built.

population growth has been flattening as the world has gotten richer and more educated, in fact, it's negative in some countries (which is perhaps a bigger challenge than growth if we're being honest). we're expected to top out at 9 billion and then begin a decline. don't think energy will be a concern.

rapidly shrinking resources...?

I live my life by a single credo. Whatever I do to the environment needs to be neutral as short term as humanly possible. I attempt to leave my impact to nature in a repairable fashion that will regenerate itself positively w/o negatively impacting something else by osmosis. I can live with myself. Sad thing is deniers cancel me out ten times over.

How stupid is Oklahoma? They are virtually destroying their state with man made earthquakes, yet won't admit it's their own friggin fault. We, as a nation are idiots, pure and simple.

Trump says it's ok to dump coal tailings into creeks. What could go wrong? This all makes me ill. Texas doesn't think that evolution should be taught, cuz it's just theoretical. Huh?

How can we be so collectively stupid, yet individually smart? I am almost 61 and believe my grandkids won't even know what nature is supposed to look like. And that's not hyperbole. This planet already has a "use by" date on it and it came from pure GREED. Period!

Sad that people are convinced to have such a negative outlook of the future.


Anyway, I know you guys are depressed and hate good news but here is some:

https://t.co/C2cq9gSRJK

Good point. It'll be super fun when we have the air quality of Beijing after Trump shutters the EPA. I can't wait to have to wear a respirator every time I go outside. More jobs for respirator mask salesmen!

Not just China with the bad air. It used to be horrible here before regulation saved us. England too. Four days of heavy smog in London in 1952 killed 12000 people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog_of_London

Damn SJWs!

Response to an article about a study saying oceans are doing well, is claiming we are all going to be wearing gas masks soon. You guys are true zealots.

Right - it's not the Kochs who want to unravel every environmental protection we have.

Oh no. The true zealots are the people who are like "Hey - the clean air and water acts were good things. Let's keep them."

#SHIFTYTHINGS

Dunno what "t.co" is and didn't take the link.

If the oceans are doing well, that's great.

Renewable energy is doing very well. Trump or not, the end of fossil fuel use for generation of electricity is at hand.



https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...n-the-us-in-q1

Put a sock in it zealot. ROLL COAL FTMFW!!!

It's certainly gives grounds for optimism but in no way does it say oceans are doing well.

Report opens by saying this:


Here's a summary of what the study shows:


Here's its conclusion:


https://marine-conservation-institut...-page?code=mci

https://www.oceanfdn.org/donate/supp...ean-foundation

The relevant institutions look forward to your enthusiastic financial support for these ideas.

People talk about renewable energy a lot because it's actually one of the easiest problems to fix.

There's a LOT LOT LOT of energy wasted and people don't want to do anything about it because saving energy is a much harder business than building renewables and people really don't want to hear that they use too much energy, buy too much crap, throw too much away, and ---- here's where I lose almost everyone ---- eat too many cows, pigs and fish. (I don't think poultry is *that* bad environmentally)

Yep - just like in CA when we had the Enron-induced brown-outs. The state ran some ads getting people to cut back, run appliances at night, told car dealerships to turn off the lights at night, etc.

I think overall energy usage dropped like 20-30% basically overnight to where there was no crisis anymore. There is a lot of slack in the system.

Not sure how you can say that oceans are doing well when the great barrier reef is dying and the great pacific garbage patch continues to grow.

Lol zealot.

But the bright spots! The bright spots!