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The thing is I'm obviously not trolling, but ikes is so bad at writing I'm not sure if he's

A) Claiming that OBVIOUSLY Ebola is new despite being the subject of multiple best selling books over several decades, including a Tom Clancy book and a Dustin Hoffman movie.

or

B) Serving a DELICIOUS REDEMPTION GOTCHA because The Hot Zone actually came out in 1994, outside the 10-15 year range I provided.

Outbreak is Robin Cook. The Andromeda Strain is Michael Crichton (not ebola, but another scary disease). I didn't think Clancy actually wrote a book about ebola, but maybe it's just one I'm not familiar with.

10-14-2014 , 12:56 AM

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6) Was anyone important projecting 1.4 million cases over the next few months with SARS and the like? I sure don't remember it. Those were boogeymen, this looks like it could be something a lot more real.

No one is projecting 1.4m. That number was only if you didn't do anything.

Also, lol fly, this is new by any standard worth a damn. The disease is new (a first outbreak in 76 is really recent, think it didn't emerge again until the 90s) and these kind of outbreaks are obviously unprecedented. People aren't familiar with obscure African diseases as a whole either.

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10-14-2014 , 12:57 AM

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Personally I am more afraid of rabies. Nearly 100% death rate, and once a victim shows symptoms, they turn into a biting lunatic instead of just hemorrhaging out.

The fear of water always terrified me. I thought rabies was very treatable as long as you get treatment before the symptoms appear though.

10-14-2014 , 12:59 AM

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Google says executive orders

10-14-2014 , 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Google says executive orders

Well then. I guess I'd stopped reading Clancy books by then. But oddly, 1996 is about when I picked up Outbreak, The Hot Zone, and The Andromeda Strain.

10-14-2014 , 01:03 AM

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You honestly might be more likely to get Ebola over Rabies....

10-14-2014 , 01:48 AM

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The outbreak reminded my of the ebolamonkeyman.com site. It's old and not actually about Ebola but it's good if think messing with Nigerian scammers is funny.

10-14-2014 , 03:51 AM

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There was an ebola joke on the second season of Friends.
If that doesn't tell you that the public was aware of it in the 90s, I don't know what will...

10-14-2014 , 04:52 AM

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How hard would it be for a terrorist to pick up Ebola and bring it here? They would have about a month at most I guess, to get into the country. How hard is it to get into Mexico from Africa? Or maybe they could stealthily infect people they knew would be traveling here but would not be symptomatic upon embarking. It would be about the cheapest terrorist attack ever. We could deal with it effectively once it got here but the scare efficacy would be through the roof.

10-14-2014 , 04:57 AM

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Personally I am more afraid of rabies. Nearly 100% death rate, and once a victim shows symptoms, they turn into a biting lunatic instead of just hemorrhaging out.

But if you get a vaccine after you are bitten, you will be OK.
So the threat level is almost non-existent.

10-14-2014 , 09:01 AM

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Pretty sure Ebola is the precursor to the 'rage virus' in the 28 Days Later universe. This could get interesting.

10-14-2014 , 09:06 AM

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Ebola is only contagious once you are symptomatic.

10-14-2014 , 09:32 AM

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Google says executive orders

I believe Rainbow Six also features a genetically engineered Ebola variant.

10-14-2014 , 09:56 AM

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GENEVA (AP) - The death rate in the Ebola outbreak has risen to 70 percent and there could be up to 10,000 new cases a week in two months, the World Health Organization warned Tuesday.
WHO assistant director-general Dr. Bruce Aylward gave the grim figures during a news conference in Geneva. Previously, WHO had estimated the death rate at around 50 percent.

WAAF

10-14-2014 , 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

If you stop after the first paragraph you will be find it quite reasonable.

Its utterly absurd on a million levels.

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The people of Liberia and other countries would be better off if the US government left them alone. Leave it to private citizens to invest in African business and trade with the African people. Private investment and trade would help these countries develop thriving free-market economies capable of sustaining a modern healthcare infrastructure.

What do you think the lead time on this is? Being amazingly generous, I would say 5-7 years before the stated healthcare infrastructure would be in place. Probably a bit slow to deal with the present crises, probably.

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Firestone Tire and Rubber Company has successfully contained the spread of Ebola among 80,000 people living in Harbel, the Liberian town housing employees of Firestone's Liberian plant and their families. In March, after the wife of a Firestone employee developed Ebola symptoms, Firestone constructed its own treatment center and implemented a program of quarantine and treatment. Firestone has successfully kept the Ebola virus from spreading among its employees. As of this writing, there are only three Ebola patients at Firestone's treatment facility.

Firestone's success in containing Ebola shows that, far from justifying new state action, the Ebola crises demonstrates that individuals acting in the free market can do a better job of containing Ebola than can governments. The Ebola crisis is also another example of how US foreign aid harms the very people we are claiming to help. Limiting government at home and abroad is the best way to protect health and freedom.

If we totally accept the unstated assumption that company X protecting employees better than guberment would somehow be universal across all employers, not everyone with Ebola will be placed in the "market" in a way that allows them access to such care and resources. That is what society and extension guberment is for.

10-14-2014 , 10:07 AM

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It doesn't even explain how Firestone kept the virus from spreading. Just that it's a private company, it's only had three cases ipso facto the market can solve the Ebola crisis. There is also a weird tangent about the constitutionality of humanitarian missions which seems a bit beside the point.

10-14-2014 , 10:08 AM

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anyway Ron Paul 2012!

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10-14-2014 , 10:28 AM

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Has anyone figured out why Ebola, and Ebola specifically, is so terrifying to our nation's stockpile of stupid olds?

They are non existent threats/things to be terrified about because they involve outsiders threatening True Americans?

Add Ebola to rampant voter fraud & the knock out game.

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10-14-2014 , 11:00 AM

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Well then. I guess I'd stopped reading Clancy books by then. But oddly, 1996 is about when I picked up Outbreak, The Hot Zone, and The Andromeda Strain.

Relevant:

10-14-2014 , 11:15 AM

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Kind of surprised Ron is writing crazy-ass newsletters when Rand is out trying to be a serious-business 2016 candidate. I would have expected Rand would tell pops to keep a lid on it for a while.

10-14-2014 , 11:43 AM

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The Washington snipers showed that a shooter with a rifle can cause a lot of terror for pocket change.

10-14-2014 , 11:49 AM

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Just ****ing amazing that this is somehow a partisan issue. Like, okay at least AIDS involved those filthy homosexuals who trespassed against God, how in the actual **** is there any difference in the response between Republicans and Democrats here? Send in the Marines and the CDC and throw some money at fighting this because a lot of people in Africa could die if we do nothing and also this **** could spread over here. It's like, there's liberal bleeding-heart interest and derpy self-interest at play here.

Everything the Black President does, even if it's nothing, is wrong. It's sad it's political, but TIWRAB.