I think exterminism originating from Saudi Arabia is much more dangerous than Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.

Saudi Arabia is not my idea of a country in which religious extremism (especially in terms of ideology, which is what sites like the stormer cultivate) is forced to exist covertly.

Relative to the US, not relative to extremism. Religious extremism within Saudi Arabia could not hold a candle to the overt religious extremism within Taliban-ruled afghanistan. Saudi is a monarchy that has been forsaken by religious extremist. Saudi Arabia exiled Bin Laden, and forced him to basically operate covertly, relative to the freedom of movement he enjoyed before exile.

I don't understand. Why?

In the context of what you quoted - an ideology cannot host a website, can it?

Extremism is an idea, just like conservatism, or liberalism. When the few competent web host start picking winners and losers among the ideas that propagate, you have a serious problem. Good ideas will inevitably be muted, and the only ones expressed will be popular ones, which as history tells us, is not the best road to take. If you think the internet should become an echo chamber of ideas that everyone can agree on, well....good for you, go hang out at reddit. It's the anti-thesis of progress, and is counter intuitive to the free exchange of ideas. Just so you know, if this standard was used, you do not get the civil rights movement, or the abolitionist. They would of been muted, due to their unpopularity.

Relative to the US, Saudia Arabian society has far less stringent social norms against extreme religious ideology (rather, the official religion of the country is a very fundamentalist form of Islam), and also has more religious extremists. It doesn't seem like a problem for my hypothesis. I don't think the points you are citing in regard to the Saudi government have much bearing on my argument, which is about socialization and social norms and not the Saudi government.

Again, what is stopping _____ ideologues from creating their own web-hosting service?

If the guy next to you on the train wants to borrow your phone to make a facebook post, are you compelled to say "okay"?

Yes. https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline...come-consumers

A jihadist and skinhead are one in the same. Shutting down a website does not stop the jihadist, nor does it stop the skinhead.

is pvn a bot?

Multiple people with IQs above 80 were able to instantly see my point.

It takes away their ability to organize real world hate crimes and terrorism.

and yet you still can't put it into words. Kinda lends credence to the idea that you're trolling.

You're begging the question here. There is no picking between liberals and conservatives or any real political viewpoints. There is censoring of violent individuals who wish to murder others.

If we can imagine that Hitler was alive today and recruiting for people to help him murder millions of jews, would it not be the responsible thing to refuse to help him reach as many people as possible?

If you don't like the Hitler example, how about Isis?

this would be the equivalent of a government-hosted platform for speaking your mind


the complaint is over a private entity denying the use of their property


Do you give the guy your phone to make his post?

Cloudflare isn't a web hosting company or domain registrar, they are a reverse proxying service that protects against DDOS attacks, and provides a caching content delivery network, web application firewall, as well as DNS resolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudflare#Services

A fitting analogy here I think, is someone else is renting the nazis a building to use as a restaurant, for whites only, of course. A very large group of protesters decide to conduct a sit-in in the restaurant, and they try to swarm in to conduct a distributed denial of lunch counter service.

Cloudflare would be like a building that people would have to enter first, and then it is determined if they want to have some lunch, or if they just want to sit-in and occupy space, to deny it to others. The people that are really there for lunch and good ole chats of genocide would then be allowed into the actual restaurant, and the ne'er do wells that just want to sit-in and occupy space and try to assert their rights as humans are denied access to the restaurant.

Cloudflare does not provide the building for the restaurant. In the case of The Daily Stormer, GoDaddy provided the building for the restaurant, then they kicked the nazis out of the building. TDS then tried to rent a building from Google, who promptly kicked them out for TOS violation. The Russians then provided a building, but promptly kicked them out as well as I understand it. I think they currently have no building? (aside from Tor hidden .onion service, which I won't get into).

FYP

I do not think that is true.

I haven't bothered to put it into words because it's not necessary. I mean, you ranting about it for four posts is actually making my point even more clear to the audience.

If you're just going to troll this thread, please post elsewhere.

The fact Hitler existed before the internet, and came to power and took over nations, murdered millions of jews, all with out a web page, should be enough for you to know that taking a web page down hardly matters.

People do not accidently stumble on extremist websites, and then get hooked into the web of lies.

You don't think recruitment could have gone faster had Hitler had the internet?

[Citation needed]

I'd be more comfortable relying on due process if we actually had it. You can be indefinitely detained, even tortured and executed, without charge (let alone trial). That's not due process. Now you want to chip away at free speech too?

You think Trumps website was a large factor in his election?


Shifting the burden. I think the burden is on you to demonstrate a website is critical to the propagation of extremism.

However, what percentage of non-poker folks actually stumble upon this website for non-poker purposes (and become poker players)? In most cases, people find this website based on their desire to seek out poker related content.

edit in parentheses.

Did I click on the High Content thread? I am worried about pvn's FREE SPEECH here and the implied threat contained in this post now that your name is green. That may not have been your intention, but that's what comes with the territory now.

Recruitment may have gone faster but the rest of the world would have locked on to what he was really all about a lot faster too.