Colleges are required to monitor and report crimes that take place on campus.

What are you reading? First off, no I don't. I don't think people who claim someone stole from them are usually lying either..... yet I still want a trial/hearing/facts. I presume you do too for the theft charge, why do you seemingly want to charge the rules for rape charges?

Grunching, but in most of these rape threads, even those who are most cautious to use the word rape end up agreeing by the end of the thread that "while X wasn't rape, it was a really slimy thing to do and that guy is a bad human being." Well, that's kind of what we're dealing with here. These are university disciplinary boards, not criminal courts. The accusers that pursue disciplinary action through the university are paying customers who are often choosing that route over hauling the accused into criminal court. Because they are customers, and because the university doesn't have the power to lock somebody up in jail, I don't have a problem with them taking a bit more rope in pursuing an environment ever so slightly closer to the traditional courtship practices DVaut1 was describing.

Also, why are we taking this guys word about school disciplinary policies based on a freaking one page newsletter that grossly oversimplifies 5 cases in which he found himself in the minority? Can anybody actually go out there and find me a school sexual misconduct policy unrefined enough that it could be said "drunk sex = rape under Policy x"?

Just googling a couple, it unsurprisingly seems like that is not the case at all that intoxication is used interchangeably with incapacitation.

That sounds to me like, at the very least, it's much more complicated than drunken sex = rape. The sexual violence definition explicitly examines the conduct of the accused by requiring some sort of "taking advantage". They also use the word incapacitation, not intoxication, when discussing what invalidates consent. Here's another one:

That isn't just "oh, we got drunk and ****ed." It's a level of impairment that they seem to put on par with being asleep or unconscious, and having no idea what the **** is going on.

Aside from that, you'd be even harder pressed to find a policy that agrees with ikes' characterization of the gender discrimination issue (reading that only the woman's consent is invalidated in cases of intoxication).

This is completely wrong. Well, I mean, it's true, but it absolutely not why colleges get involved in these cases. That has to do with sexual harassment and discrimination laws.

man, the lolikes just keep coming.

He already said it was an extremely small amount, so i dont know what hes all up in arms about. Guaranteed, there is orders of magnitude more rapists still getting away with rape on college campus's than there is guys being falsely accused

ikestoys, ladies and gentlemen.

But this seems to go well beyond monitoring and reporting.

I don't. I asked solely because that was how I interpreted what you wrote and it seemed completely absurd.

wookie's getting desperate to show something. Continue chopping up my posts son, you're still ass frontwards in that post.

Next time try reading what I wrote.

Colleges also maintain their own internal standards of conduct and discipline.

ikes, can we sum up? You seem to want to say, well, while it's true when two drunk people have sex and the women claims rape afterward, genuine rape happened almost all of those times, but colleges are not applying the same standards the state does to get a felony conviction before acting.

I mean I think that's charitable interpretation, there seems to be alot of blah blah meow chow in the midst of it, but that seems to be where you're coming out.

Seems like common sense that colleges (not constructed to be criminal investigators, that's not their role here) are applying a pretty simple rule that if the woman was pretty drunk, and later is complaining about being raped, the dude is at fault, which you agree works like some huge percentage of the time. Your alternative seems hopelessly expensive and unworkable, colleges can't be criminal investigators and conduct hugely expensive criminal investigations, this isn't a literal criminal court, these aren't cops with the state resources behind them, something I think you recognize and have pointed out. We have a standard that gets the correct thing happening like some huge percentage of the time by your own admission, protecting victims from the creeps that preyed on them, and at least ensuring they're not in their classes or in their dorms or whatever anymore. I don't see the outrage here. Go back and read post 114 for my full perspective here.

Please respond to my hypothetical re: sex with your gf during college while you were drunk.

Nope. They aren't even showing, much less proving, that any rape occurred period.
lol you're full of ****.
knock that strawman down buddy!

Why even have an investigation? Women don't lie about rape.... often. Therefore just kid those bastards out.

This is completely uninteresting and not worthy to respond to, but yes, if she woke up feeling raped and filed a report, chances are like incredibly, incredibly high (ikes agrees!) I raped her.

You've completely made this up.

And these include their own definition of rape?

No, I haven't. Drunk sex is not rape. That's the standard at many places. Try again. Maybe you can spout an irrelevant fact again.

Why not? They make up their own standards for cheating.

How in the wide world of **** do you know that? Seriously, tell us everything you can extract from that newsletter with 100% certainty in regards to the facts of these cases. Since you seem so certain, especially helpful facts would be:

• What the accuser said
• What the accused said
• The specific language used in the school policy

Correct. Women don't lie about rape often, therefore when a women reports being raped after being inebriated, yes, college disciplinary board things probably don't have to spend long gathering facts in light of a very serious accusation of assault ("were you with her? alone with her? was she drunk, and you knew that? --> goodbye, get your **** off campus, we'll be reporting you to the cops now") before acting.

That honestly is not outrage inducing in the least.

Read the article in the OP, come back. Thanks.

And yet we have no actual examples with enough detail for anyone to judge whether or not a guy truly got kicked out of school based on an accusation and a statement from the accuser that she was drunk but not to the point of incapacitation and nothing else. You made that up.