What evidence do you have that punishing this person lowers rape reporting rates? I don't think convicting this person has any appreciable affect on that. It does, however, serve justice for a very serious crime. **** she was even given a chance to simply take back her fabrication. No one else gets that sort of leeway and chance to simple take it back. She was given every possible chance and got special treatment.

Seems like the UK has this "rape" "problem" under control, no need to give any special encouragement to women to feel encouraged to come forward when they've been raped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_s...United_Kingdom

In b4 ikes mocks your stats

Right, how many of those were legitimate, violent rape? HARD TO SAY

I can accept all of those facts perfectly within my argument. That doesn't mean we have to let someone who attempted to put 4 people in jail for decades without punishment. It's a ludicrously false dichotomy.

Fewer than 1 out of 100 occurrences of rape leads to a conviction in the UK? Let's focus on the real problem: FILTHY LYING WHORES

I don't have any. I'd want evidence that it doesn't lower reporting rates before changing my default* position of being very wary

* that's the default given how serious I believe the general problem of rape/under-reporting is.


Me being wary of prosecution is nothing to do with having any sympathy for someone who's made it all up. If being wary means someone gets very lucky and some victims don't get to see justice (and I'm not commenting on any specific case) then that sticks in the throat but I have to live with it.

I didn't say that false rape accusations were a bigger problem than actual rape. Again, that doesn't mean that false rape accusers should never be punished. This woman, on top of trying to imprison 4 people for decades, also diverted valuable police resources away from these cases.

There is no dichotomy between punishing this person for committing a crime and taking rape seriously. We do not have to give up basic fairness and not punish objectively terrible people in order to take rape seriously. You have absolutely nothing to show that rape reports are held down by punishing people who try to falsely imprison 4 people for decades.

Exactly. Ikes doesn't think that the under reporting of rape is a serious problem.

No, I do. I don't think that not prosecuting this woman would help in any way. And you have no evidence to support your claim.

ahahahahahaha yes you take rape SUPER SERIOUSLY and yet you spend all your time going into hysterics about some isolated case of some frat bro possibly getting unjustly expelled. BUT REALLY GUYS IKES TAKES RAPE SUPER CEREAL

Glad to see that the criminals that make you so mad aren't, you know, the millions of rapists who get away with it, but this random girl in another country. Good look man.

How about common sense? Rape victims already are reluctant to come forward under the best of circumstances, many because they don't think they will be believed. But sure, if the authorities put dozens of women in prison a year because they don't believe their rape accusations then NO WAY would that lead to already reluctant victim to not come forward! HOW COULD IT, UNPOSSIBLE???

I didn't bring up this case. Goofy did. You can try to strawman me into a frothing rage about this, but I'm simply responding to something goofy brought up. This simply is not a choice between taking a rape seriously or not. This is a choice between taking a serious crime seriously or not.

The article references a bunch of data about women being ignored and told to withdraw statements.

The charging of these women is just one small part of a culture that thinks lying bitches are prevelent and a big problem that needs to be address.

That is because they were lying.

So what? You're currently arguing that someone who set out to imprison 4 innocent people shouldn't be punished because she used a false rape accusation as a vehicle for her crime. Do you actually think that or no?

IS IT BLACK OR WHITE!!!!!!!

I don't know the specifics of the case, and despite your claims to the contrary I doubt you do either. Given your usual sourced on the latest in lying bitches.

I'd prefer a system where the ratio of rapists to lying bitches in jail was slightly higher than it is now.

I'd prefer a system where even after only 10% of victims go to the police that 25% of them aren't told to withdraw their claims

In this case, who knows. I agree that the most blatant and agregious false claims should be prosecuted.

So what the **** are you arguing about then? You just spent quite a few posts arguing that she shouldn't go to jail without even challenging the facts put in front of you. You didn't seem to care, the completely unsupported claim that rape reports would go down was paramount.

So let's try again. Let's say that the facts clearly support that this woman fabricated evidence to put 4 people in jail as part of a vendetta. She does this by claiming rape when she was not assaulted in any way. Just accept these facts as a given, this isn't about this specific case anymore.

Does that person go to jail?

Yeah. I didn't make that point at all. That was other people.

I just came in to lol ikes and call you a rape apologist again. Carry on getting your jimmies rustled by lying bitches.

She accused specific people of the rape? I didn't see that part of the story, link?

LOL here's the MORE TO THE STORY, by the way:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-pregnant.html

The Daily Mail notes that 4 dudes were eventually questioned in relation to her claims(not due to her specific accusation, just apparently on the police's own investigation), and, get this, it made them sad.

https://m.reddit.com/r/MensRights/

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Haha oh man PLEASE tell me that The Daily Mail is ikes' source for all of this.

The Guardian story says:

So I'm on pins and needles over here waiting for ikes to explain how this is true:

EDIT: HAHAHAHAHAHAH YESSSSSSSSS