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Old 07-26-2011, 10:39 AM   #91
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Re: Drugs in Portugal: Did Decriminalization Work?

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That is sad. You lot 12 years of your life to a powdeR, a pill, a cookie, and/or a plant.

Wow- I am glad I never did drugs
Not only that but age 15-18 is such an important time in a persons life. You can make good/bad decisions that affect the rest of your life dramatically.......

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They made bad choices in life. They knowingly robbed and hurt, sometimes even killed others to perpetuate their bad choices. Stop feeling sorry for them. Feel sorry for the family members they possibly alienated or hurt. Feel sorry for the victims of the crimes they committed to keep using.

The police protect the public from these possibly desperate people. The desperation can be seen everyday on any local mugshots.com site.

You can go to the pawn shops and witness it. Bad choices lead to bad results which lead to negative consequences. It is the root of the problem- teach personal responsibility instead of excuses
You are correct that personal responsibility has been thrown out the window. Totally agree.

Answer this though:

Has "the war on drugs" made a difference? Has it stopped drug use? Has it even slowed drug use down?

If the war on drugs was effective I would be all for it. I mean how long has the war on drugs been going on? I can go get an 8 ball of coke right now inside of a day lololol and I have been out of the game for over a decade. wtf


It's a huge unsuccessful waste of money.


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Old 07-26-2011, 11:31 AM   #92
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Re: Drugs in Portugal: Did Decriminalization Work?

Well we can't tell if it worked unless we can demonstrate that price has gone down and quality and quantity has gone up.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:53 PM   #93
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Re: Drugs in Portugal: Did Decriminalization Work?

Pretty disappointing that the article doesn't address what baby jesus would do.

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One, they say it's a "gateway" drug. I contend that the reason for this is that people that want to smoke, particularly young people are forced to deal with unsavory people that sell other drugs and are exposed to criminal activity that they would never witness if it was legal.
This doesn't get enough attention. I am not sure what the numbers would be, but I would love to see the results of a national survey for "if you smoked marijuana, and could have bought it at a gas station instead, what do you think the % chance would be that you would know an illegal drug dealer?" or something to that effect.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:15 PM   #94
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You guys are the one with the one-size-fits-all solution to every single problem.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:01 PM   #95
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I disagree. Medical marijuana stores legally sell and it is not cheap. California has super high crime.

Flash mob gangs now takeover stores to rob beer and cigarettes. They are both legal and cheap according you.

http://http://article.wn.com/view/20...e_on_the_rise/

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It's hard to know where to begin in taking apart your post. First, medical marijuana is available and based on prices compared to the rest of the country, its cheap. However, there are many things which are keeping this price higher than a true free market level. The main source of upward price pressure is fact that it is not available legally to many consumers in the state as well as most consumers outside of the state. While the legalization of medical marijuana in California has increased production and thus increased quality/reduced prices in general the blackmarket demand is going to keep prices higher than what would be experienced in a free market.


You then state that California has super high crime with no statistics or anything....then you claim flash mobs are robbing liquor and cigarrettes and then link to an article that talks about mobs of kids robbing high end clothing stores in......Wisconsin.

You are a logic master.
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:06 PM   #96
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1210829AAwP4X0


Yahoo answers begs to differ about the price of legal kind budz.
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:24 PM   #97
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I support decriminalization as well, but it has little to do with public health, common welfare or w/e..I think drugs should be legal for one simple reason..

that no one has any right to tell me what I can or cannot do with my life, as long as it doesn't have any consequences on everyone else..simple as that..

so ppl should have the right to make a choice..it's entirely up to each individual what he chooses to do with his life..
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:14 PM   #98
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There's only a couple of makers of those in the world, and their only legit-buyers are for stuff like Sudafed. .
LOL

Yeah no such thing as allergys or stuffed noses....

It's funny

The most addictive over the counter medication known to man

Oxymetazoline never get's mentioned EVER EVER EVER.

I took this product out of NECESSITY during a massive 1 month bout of flu... I have been addicted ever since. I usually go to costco to buy 5 bottles for 7 bucks... otherwise it's like 4-7 bucks a pop elsewhere.

perfectly legal accepted NEVER A COMPLAINT.

Yet I'm an addict. And unlike most drugs who's WITHDRAWL period is from 3-10 days

the withdrawl period from oxymetazoline is up to 60 days And there is no chance anyone is going to go without for 60 days.

LOL pot illegal

oxymetazoline legal
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:24 PM   #99
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Is that anything like the metallic oxide salts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDf7DlfZ1e0
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:58 PM   #100
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Not true. Go here: Law Enforcement Against Prohibition www.leap.cc

current and former cops, judges, dea, etc, etc and they think drugs should be legal, I doubt many do any drugs and if they do only like pot.

Go spend some real time reading/listening to what they say and then come back and see if you still believe what you posted here.
Eh obv some people are logical and believe in complete decrim/legalisation however its a general belief of the population that all the drugs that they do should be legal and nothing else.
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Old 07-26-2011, 06:03 PM   #101
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Dont' forget it is OK to be against coke and heroin and meth use and also think that they should be legal.

The result, or one result, would be a significant reduction in crime and violence. No one is gonna break into your home and hold a knife to your daughter's throat demanding 20 bucks for a fix if those drugs are legal b/c they would be cheap just like booze and cigarettes are.
You are talking out of your azz and obviously have not been exposed to a hard drug environment. In many urban areas, heroin is easier to get than alcohol (for teens) and cheaper than a six pack of beer($4-$6 bags). Small quantities of crack can be purchased in NYC CHEAPER than a pack of smokes.
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Old 07-26-2011, 06:09 PM   #102
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Yeah but if we make it even cheaper and more pure, then... nirvana... or something.

It's pretty obvious most of the everything-should-be-legal crowd itt have never been around hard drugs and seen the damage they can do first hand.
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:12 PM   #103
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Yeah but if we make it even cheaper and more pure, then... nirvana... or something.

It's pretty obvious most of the everything-should-be-legal crowd itt have never been around hard drugs and seen the damage they can do first hand.
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:16 PM   #104
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Dude I'm not going to recap every argument about how increased purity increases addiction. Read the thread.

Crack, heroin, meth != weed, shrooms, acid, ecstacy.
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Old 07-26-2011, 08:13 PM   #105
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Yeah but if we make it even cheaper and more pure, then... nirvana... or something.

It's pretty obvious most of the everything-should-be-legal crowd itt have never been around hard drugs and seen the damage they can do first hand.
I actually have done a lot of hard drugs up to 2 years ago..I know how the heavy drug environment is, and I agree with most of what you're saying..it would be hard in the beginning, ofc..but the money raised from taxing dug sales could be put to good use, like building new hospitals, improving law enforcement, etc..

I just think the government shouldn't be able to tell you what to do with your life, as long as it doesn't interfere with the ppl around you..and deciding to take drugs is something that involves only you..primarily, at least..
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