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Old 09-02-2011, 10:35 AM   #46
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Because that's what I'm doing. Its easy to say everything someone else is doing is stupid when you don't think they should exist. Don't blame a business for making dumb choices when they already know the consequences I guess.

Edit: You can think the law is silly while also thinking Gibson is dumb for, allegedly, repeating behavior where they know they're going to get raided and have **** confiscated.
Yes, of course its dumb to resist the mugger. Fortunately, you have no idea whether that is what Gibson has done. All appearances are that Gibson has complied with the (****ing retarded) laws.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:02 AM   #48
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Yes, of course its dumb to resist the mugger. Fortunately, you have no idea whether that is what Gibson has done. All appearances are that Gibson has complied with the (****ing retarded) laws.
All appearances are that they didn't. They had pallets of 'raw material' taken according to their CEO and the law was its illegal if the wood is not finished by Indian workers.

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“suggested that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department’s interpretation of a law in India. (If the same wood from the same tree was finished by Indian workers, the material would be legal.),”
From their press release.

Maybe its a new interpretation or something, I don't know the details of importing wood.

Edit: Found some new quotes which make it seem like its a new interpretation (or possibly part of the new Lacey Act stuff?)

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“The affidavit maintains that unfinished fingerboard blanks that are more than a centimeter thick cannot be exported under Indian law; only finished pieces of veneer, about half as thick can be exported. The intent of the law is to protect woodworking jobs in India.”
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“But Mr. Juszkiewicz disputes this interpretation of the Indian statutes and the international tariff code. Gibson has been importing fingerboards from India for more than 17 years, he said, without any objections from the Indian government. He added that as recently as July the company’s agents in India received a ruling from Indian trade officials stating that the fingerboards could be exported.”
There are additional accusations but I don't know what the ramifications would be of mislabeling end users on import documents.

http://jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/20110819154237897.pdf

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Old 09-02-2011, 11:11 AM   #49
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GMAFB. It's a political use of a bull****, intentionally vague "law" for the purpose of attacking a competitor of a campaign donor.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:13 AM   #50
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On the other hand they do make it easy for the DoJ to raid them. Even if it's payment for campaign contributions the management of Gibson looks retarded here.
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Oh, you're going with that reasoning. I guess I can stop trying to have a serious discussion on it then.

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GMAFB. It's a political use of a bull****, intentionally vague "law" for the purpose of attacking a competitor of a campaign donor.
What is your connection with this case?
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:23 AM   #53
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I'd rather not say.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:24 AM   #54
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FWIW none of my guitars are Gibson.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:37 AM   #55
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They're taking our solos!
But who will play the solos?
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:39 AM   #56
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Now the doj facebook page will be comments from angry poker players and guitar players also.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:22 PM   #57
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Poker...........Guitars.......if the DOJ goes after a Beer company next, I'm going to FK*n lose it......because I will not have anything left..........
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:01 PM   #58
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If the CEO has 3 different stories about what's going, that makes it three times as likely that one of them is true, right?
LOL. I'm not sure what my favorite part of the Peter Schiff interview is.

It's either the implication that Gibson's business success somehow grants them immunity from accusations of lawbreaking or Peter Schiff's incredulity at the idea that the Department of Justice would try to ENFORCE their understanding of the law?!?!?!

I'm always fascinated by manufactured stories like this, but is Gibson really gonna lead with their defense that they think other companies are also breaking that law? "Johnny did it too!" is not a preferred argument imo.

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Old 09-02-2011, 03:11 PM   #59
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Well if I'm going down, I'm taking all those other ****ers with me!
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:15 PM   #60
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ILLEGAL WOOD ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG!!!!!!

WTF IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE? DON'T YOU KNOW WOOD DOESN'T JUST GROW ON TREES? I MEAN IF WE START RUNNING LOW ON A CERTAIN TYPE.... WHAT YOU THINK WE CAN JUST PLANT MORE?
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