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Old 06-13-2017, 01:32 PM   #826
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No, you don't get to do that. Trump is literally making it as tough as possible for people to find out ANY truth about what he did last year that won him the election. There was enough concern to find evidence, enough evidence to start an investigation, and enough investigations to cover various angles of the corruption. There is ZERO doubt of Trump's financial corruption. ZERO doubt of his intent to obstruct justice, ZERO doubt of his intent to intimidate witnesses, ZERO doubt of his intent to cover up crimes committed by others in the campaign, who later went on to have the most significant security clearances. And there's very little doubt that something Russian and highly illegal is hidden among the ruins.

So no, we don't get to go after Comey for doing nothing illegal and slightly bending norms to catch the guy above who is acting immune to repercussions and throwing it in everyone's face as he leads what was the world's best Democracy only a few long months ago.

What else, do you prefer Mike Flynn still be head of national security right now over the leak that ended his job and brought a lot of the above facts to light?
Thanks for telling me I don't get to do a whole lot of things I'm not doing. I suggest slowing down a little or taking a break from politics.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:45 PM   #827
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Thanks for telling me I don't get to do a whole lot of things I'm not doing. I suggest slowing down a little or taking a break from politics.
I thought the last paragraph was clearly hyperbole?

As for the rest, you are saying what Comey should have done. That he should've compromised investigations and national security just to play 100% morally normal. Many of us disagree. Hence the Flynn parallel.

Sorry for being worked up. It's not me, it's the nature of what's going on in the WH. Each week presses past the week before and it is tilt inducing, even for the calmest person.
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Old 06-13-2017, 02:36 PM   #828
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I thought the last paragraph was clearly hyperbole?

As for the rest, you are saying what Comey should have done. That he should've compromised investigations and national security just to play 100% morally normal. Many of us disagree. Hence the Flynn parallel.

Sorry for being worked up. It's not me, it's the nature of what's going on in the WH. Each week presses past the week before and it is tilt inducing, even for the calmest person.
No problem. I understand getting worked up. Sometimes I want to throw up. I'm mostly here to vent.

I question two (possibly unimportant) aspects of Comey's testimony. The one that led here is that he described himself as not "strong" and also as "cowardly." He may have been stressed or even afraid, but I don't think the characterizations he used are accurate. He has a dramatic flair, so maybe he just used them to tell a better story.

I may have misused the word "should." It is a problematic word. I also speculated as to what Comey might actually have been doing (as chrisV pointed out, there are many possibilities) and this was probably confusing.
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Old 06-13-2017, 02:41 PM   #829
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I don't remember him saying cowardly. I do remember "I wish I were more brave" which isn't the same thing.
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Old 06-13-2017, 03:12 PM   #831
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I don't remember him saying cowardly. I do remember "I wish I were more brave" which isn't the same thing.
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FEINSTEIN: Now, here's the question, you're big. You're strong. I know the oval office, and I know what happens to people when they walk in. There is a certain amount of intimidation. But why didn't you stop and say, Mr. President, this is wrong. I cannot discuss this with you.

COMEY: It's a great question. Maybe if I were stronger, I would have. I was so stunned by the conversation that I just took in. The only thing I could think to say, because I was playing in my mind -- because I could remember every word he said -- I was playing in my mind, what should my response be? That's why I carefully chose the words. Look, I've seen the tweet about tapes. Lordy, I hope there are tapes. I remember saying, “I agree he is a good guy,” as a way of saying, I'm not agreeing with what you asked me to do. Again, maybe other people would be stronger in that circumstance. That's how Ed myself. I hope I'll never have another opportunity. Maybe if I did it again, I'd do it better.

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FEINSTEIN: You told the president, I would see what we could do. What did you mean?

COMEY: It was kind of a cowardly way of trying to avoid telling him, we're not going to do that. That I would see what we could do. It was a way of kind of getting off the phone, frankly, and then I turned and handed it to the acting deputy attorney general.

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Ah ok. 2 strongers (same as braver) and one cowardly. Kind of.
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humble self-deprecation

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Old 06-18-2017, 12:56 AM   #834
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Fell out of my seat at the end.
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