Cali is much more liberal in general. It doesn't compare to the general tone in the suburban midwest. I don't think my family is more political than your average group of baby boomers. They are really only political out of fear - fear of terrorism, fear of losing their entitlements, fear of higher taxes, etc.

I think a standard complaint would start about whatever the daily conservative outrage is. "Did you see where Obama...?" and everyone would shake their head and grumble - probably make some sarcastic comment about Obama voters being stupid or getting what they deserve. There's no real discussion to be had - because they don't really make any attempt to understand the issues, and it's just assumed and accepted that Obama is a terrible president with sinister ambitions to turn America into a socialist paradise and give all their tax dollars to the poors.

But then again I don't really know because they have to turn off that whole line of conversation when I'm around. So for them it completely changes the nature of their gatherings and limits the topics of discussion. That's one reason it was really nice that the Royals were good this year. That opens up a new topic of conversation.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/1...-children-iraq

ISIS beheads 4 christian children for not converting to Islam. Stop equating conservative Christians to radical Islam.

Is this the thread you meant to post that in? Or the Bill Mahar thread?

I'm not even sure where to put Jihadis on the left/right spectrum. They are traditionalists in the religious sense, but they are revolutionaries sometimes rebelling against rightist dictatorships. Economically are they a bit socialist?

Being religious, even Christian, in the US is not synonymous with being conservative. Take a vow of poverty and start washing leper's feet and I think you are on the left.

Dude it's negs, don't try to make sense of it

At least I'm getting attacked from the right now too. Before it was mostly Dids and Fly.

In the torture thread Strike3 said I'd have let Germany walk all over Europe in WW2.

Plenty of studies have been done over the years on why people align the way they do politically. Google is your friend.

I think this is an apt description. What do you say about libertarians?

Authoritarian and Despotic fits. Like other religious fundamentalists, who legislate by dogma and presumed authority of God, they have their own niche.

I am sure you would have Hitler to stop and been amazed he wasn't willing to discuss it! Face it you live in fantasy land

But Germany did walk all over a good bit of Europe in WW2?

Of course he did....Europe outside of Britain and Germany is a laughing stock.

England would have probably held him to a stalemate and of course the US kicked his ass.... That was before we became a bunch of liberal pussies.

Hear that guys? FDR was a conservative.

What are you talking about? Not only would I have crushed Hitler and held a parade for Patton, I would have been right with him in keeping Eastern Europe out of Stalin's hands.

What makes you think I wouldn't have?

The United States' performance and behavior in and immediately after WWII is the most altruistic and greatest accomplishment and has provided the most benefit to humanity of anything any country in history has ever done and nothing else is even close.

FDR thought he was king - the people won the war inspire of FDR. He did do his best f up the rest of our country.... Hell he made Obama look ok and that alone is amazing

This one of the few things you have said recently that makes sense - however based on you general thought process if you had to make the choices "the greatest generation" made without a net I have no doubt you would have opted to the pussy route - it is ok most people alive today would as well

Solid contribution

American religious fundamentalists and Islamic State religious fundamentalist hate each other, but they both hate and look down upon pretty much the same "other people" ( sinners, gays, sexual, blasphemers, etc.) and individual freedom.

libertarians think in absolutes

I'm a conservative libertarian at heart that believes in strong defense and UHC.

Still trying to find a seat at any dinner table.

Based on what? I'm not a conservative? I'm against torture? That's just like the people who won WWII. I'm mostly on the Israel side in the Israel thread. You think if someone is not lockstep with Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh they are wrong about everything?

Like Wookie alluded, it was FDR and then Truman who won WWII, the war and the peace. It was Wilson who sided against the Germans in WWI. The conservatives were often isolationists and rallied along with Charles Lindbergh (when he wasn't busy getting medals from Adolf Hitler) to try to keep us out of the war. The only member of congress to vote against US entry into WWII was a Republican.

That's me too to a point.

How so? I would think the opposite

I assume UHC means universal health care, right?

I'd like universal not being homeless and digging through trash cans to eat also.

But, not universal Euro style, I'm out of work and on the dole and even sometimes the government pays for my vacation.

Strike-3 was out about 12 pitches ago.

If you want to get really nasty about conservatives and WWII you might look at the millions of members of The German Bund, The American Liberty League, The American Legion (invited Mussolini to all their conventions in the '20s), The Christian Front, and The America First Committee either sympathized with or openly supported Germany until about '38 when it because impossible. If the conservatives had had their way, it would have been dicey what side we would have supported in WWII if we even entered it. The Nazis were rabidly anti-communist and the anti-communist anti-union anti-FDR crowd was hardly anti-Nazi at least through the mid-30s.