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08-19-2017 , 10:31 AM

#1726

iamnotawerewolf

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misrepresenting people's views is reportable?!

08-19-2017 , 10:36 AM

#1727

fatkid

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08-19-2017 , 10:39 AM

#1728

iamnotawerewolf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 6ix

That would be a line. Planes have x and y axes.

yeah, but an object can't really "spin" in 1 dimension. the analogy definitely needs some work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

Glad dummies can’t distinguish between enemies and traitors of the United States bent on ruining the country and various actual contributors to the United States who might have done some unsavory things.

08-19-2017 , 10:52 AM

#1729

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

misrepresenting people's views is reportable?!

No. Of course not.

However trolling is reportable. If some fool accuses me of posting in bad faith, and then refuses to substantiate such an accusation, that is "willfully and knowingly attempting to disrupt an interwebs conversation", in my book.

08-19-2017 , 11:03 AM

#1730

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Originally Posted by Heroball

Right.

In the current climate, especially given its trajectory, the US Flag (which has stood for many things judged harshly by history) could fast become the the next Stars and Bars.

for many it already is

and why not?

You were created by the sages; return to your dust

08-19-2017 , 11:15 AM

#1731

master3004

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

I completely disagree on principle. You should never have to give up one of your Constitutional rights in order to exercise another one.

I'm not a lawyer and never studied law so I have no comment on ACLU's decision in this case.

The first amendment does not apply when dealing with incitements of violence. Having a firearm during a politically charged rally can be argued to be an incitement of violence.

08-19-2017 , 11:18 AM

#1732

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Originally Posted by Heroball

Hypothetically, how do you think the ACLU would view a BLM armed march into a university campus, say, Duke?

I suspect they'd take a different approach and protect the speech they agree with.

Still sounds like you didnt read the statement

08-19-2017 , 11:18 AM

#1733

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How will ACLU know whether the protesters will be carrying weapons at the later protest when litigating the permit?

Is it specified in the permit itself? That would seem to run afoul of the 2nd.

08-19-2017 , 11:20 AM

#1734

Jbrochu

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You don't have to give up the right to carry weapons when protesting. Just don't count on the ACLU defending you if you choose to do it.

08-19-2017 , 11:22 AM

#1735

TheDuker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 6ix

You just cool-story-bro'd the dead woman's mother.

Poster's level of sarcasm unclear, but it was a pun - the woman's name is literally "Bro".

08-19-2017 , 11:24 AM

#1736

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

How will ACLU know whether the protesters will be carrying weapons at the later protest when litigating the permit?

Is it specified in the permit itself? That would seem to run afoul of the 2nd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jbrochu

You don't have to give up the right to carry weapons when protesting. Just don't count on the ACLU defending you if you choose to do it.

This, the ACLU doesn't issue the permits. They will support the right to protest, and should weaponry be found to play a major part, will withdraw their support at the time that that is discovered.

Seems easy enough

08-19-2017 , 11:28 AM

#1737

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Reports out of Boston so far is massive crowds for the good guys (saw some tweets saying largest Boston rally ever) and a tiny Trump sized handful of deplorables.

08-19-2017 , 11:36 AM

#1738

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Reports out of Boston so far is massive crowds for the good guys (saw some tweets saying largest Boston rally ever) and a tiny Trump sized handful of deplorables.

The people united will never eat a PB N J

08-19-2017 , 11:49 AM

#1739

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the ACLU represented the nazi's in court when their permit was denied, which would be before the nazi's actually showed up to protest

their statement seems like empty lip-service to mollify knee-jerk bolsheviks threatening to antifa their donors

08-19-2017 , 11:50 AM

#1740

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

... Is it specified in the permit itself? That would seem to run afoul of the 2nd.

Not at all. When you get a permit, you are not (necessarily) covered by the 1st-A or 2nd-A, and neither is anyone else, inside the permitted area. That's what a permit does.

Ex: I can get a permit to have a party on the beach. In the permitted area, I can ask anyone to leave, ask anyone to STFU, and ask everyone to be unarmed. If peeps don't abide by my requests, I can ask the cops to enforce my requests upon them.

08-19-2017 , 11:56 AM

#1741

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The 2A question is whether the permitting entity, not the party obtaining the permit, can restrict firearms as a condition of the permit itself.

08-19-2017 , 11:57 AM

#1742

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

This isn't hard for non morons. The next time that group asks the ACLU for help, they will be turned down.

When new groups ask for help, the ACLU can... wait for it... ask them questions and secure agreement that they will not be bringing weapons. If they lie, they get no further support.

08-19-2017 , 12:01 PM

#1743

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

The question is whether the permitting entity, not the party obtaining the permit, can restrict firearms as a condition of the permit itself.

The answer is 100% yes. Nobody ever needs to get have a permit, so on that side of things, there are no 1st-A or 2nd-A considerations at all.

08-19-2017 , 12:01 PM

#1744

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Originally Posted by Jbrochu

A judicial decision is not a contract.

Repeat business is a thing, though. Fair warning - make the first protest count! Of course, once the brief is filed in one case, it should be pretty simple to refile it elsewhere.

08-19-2017 , 12:02 PM

#1745

Heroball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

Which of his arguments do you disagree with?

The ones that result in Jefferson/Washington statues coming down?

I mean he makes his points well, and I'm ecstatic to see the Confederate Flag and Confederate statues bite the dust, but the slippery slope that slides from Lee is Jefferson is Washington is very unfortunate.

08-19-2017 , 12:03 PM

#1746

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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!

The answer is 100% yes. Nobody ever needs to get have a permit, so on that side of things there are no 1st-A or 2nd-A considerations at all.

I don't know the permitting process.

But if we are talking about gov't action, which I do believe the issuance of a permit to be, there are of course 1A & 2A considerations in play.

08-19-2017 , 12:04 PM

#1747

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Originally Posted by Heroball

Why do we need statues of Jefferson and Washington?

08-19-2017 , 12:04 PM

#1748

Heroball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Still sounds like you didnt read the statement

I read what they said.

I doubt that's what they'd do in practice in BLM case based on what recent events just led them to recalibrate their position.

08-19-2017 , 12:06 PM

#1749

Heroball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDuker

Poster's level of sarcasm unclear, but it was a pun - the woman's name is literally "Bro".

Thought this would be obvious. Then again.

08-19-2017 , 12:11 PM

#1750

Heroball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

for many it already is

and why not?

You were created by the sages; return to your dust

That's fine that it is. Those people are 9/11 conspiratard idiots though, mostly, and should not be given the same berth as critics of legitimately hateful symbols like the original stars and bars.

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