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As for solidarity, I cannot in good conscience abide well-intentioned people acting against their own interests.

Growing up, my parents tried, and failed, to impress upon me the lesson that "help isn't help unless it is wanted".

In Judaism, it is said that one should not place a stumbling block in front of a blind man. I ask, if the block is already there, should one allow the blind man to walk into it?

Before my current career (lawyer), I spent several years waiting tables. At one of the restaurants, management punished the employees for being critical of the business policies and practices. Morale was low, employees regularly stole from the business, and the place did not last long. At another place, management encouraged feedback, positive and negative, and I have never experienced a more enjoyable work environment. That other place continues to thrive in the heart of one of the busiest neighborhoods in the city.

heh

08-16-2017 , 05:26 PM

#1402

DudeImBetter

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

This depends on what outcome you are after. For me, it is not enough for the nazi's to go home.

I don't want the nazi's ever to come back.

You think exposing them to the err of their ways will permanently eradicate Nazism / supremacy? LoL brother, virulent racism and xenophobia isn't cured by the calm & collected presentation of well sourced opinions, you gotta be f***ing kidding me.

Grow up.

You want Nazism to not impact your life, your children's life? Make its expression / benefit not worth the cost.

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Originally Posted by skalf

Don't worry, my white privilege gives me magical healing powers.

Tribalism breeds tribalism.
Endless dishonest accusations of racism only gives cover to actual racists.

Can you please identify some actual racists and help me distinguish them from some wrongly accused ones? And be specific, TIA.

08-16-2017 , 05:27 PM

#1403

All-In Flynn

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Originally Posted by 6ix

Oh ya, skalf is a super duper nazi in case you weren't familiar before his appearance ITT.

I vaguely remember him from years ago in RGT. He seemed mostly normal then, or at least not full longhorn-breed.

08-16-2017 , 05:29 PM

#1404

FlyWf

It's the other way

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

But not because of the "treason". (No one would want to use that word if it was Abolutionists who seceded) .Rather because they KNEW slavery was wrong and they accepted it for MONEY. That is why Trump is actually technically correct when he puts the founding fathers in a similar category.

Also, many of you are incorrectly putting slavery in a similar category as racism. In my debate with Bruce Z I showed this by bringing up the idea of whether it would be morally right to MURDER someone if it would stop it. And of course it would be perfectly moral to murder your master if it freed you or even to murder someone else's master if it freed their slaves. Even back in the days when slavery was legal. As bad as it is to insist on separate bathrooms in your house for white and black, it would not be a good reason to kill you.

In other words these guy weren't just "flawed" or "imperfect. They were, mainly for financial reasons, proponents ALL THEIR LIVES of actions so bad that anyone who killed them to stop them would be CLEARLY doing the right thing. These men, whether they lived in 1760 or 1860, were pure scum.

For some reason a lot of older conservatives seem to be way more comfortable with actual moral principles here than their younger brethren. See: Antifa Mitt.

But yeah, here's the thing with a lot of this ****. You want to take down the statues of Jackson? Columbus? Knock yourself out. Those guys suck. There are a lot of people who have less serious flaws we can build statues of.

08-16-2017 , 05:31 PM

#1405

FlyWf

It's the other way

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Originally Posted by 6ix

NAT-SEE is fun to say though, I can't deny.

The Southern accent Pitt has makes all of his Inglorious Basterds speeches significantly better.

Naht-see ain't got no humanity. They're the foot soldiers of a Jew-hatin', mass murderin' maniac and they need to be dee-stroyed.

08-16-2017 , 05:31 PM

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PoBoy321

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Can you please identify some actual racists and help me distinguish them from some wrongly accused ones? And be specific, TIA.

The actual racists don white hoods, swastikas, and believe that whites are superior to other races, are disgusted by miscegenation, think that people of color are undeserving of their places in higher education and business, and believe that the social hierarchy needs to be ruled by straight white men, and that all others need to be subjugated to their whims.

The wrongly accused have different clothes.

08-16-2017 , 05:33 PM

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Looks like everyone's worried about changing history and where will it end, meaning taking down statues, not white supremacists.

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Bannon saw Trump's now-infamous Tuesday afternoon press conference not as the lowest point in his presidency, but as a "defining moment," where Trump decided to fully abandon the "globalists" and side with "his people."

Per a source with knowledge: "Steve was proud of how [Trump] stood up to the braying mob of reporters" in the Tuesday press conference.

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On the phone to Bannon, Trump asked his chief strategist "where does it end?" according to a source with knowledge of their conversations.

Trump wasn't referring to the white supremacists, but to the counter-protesters whom the president believes are on a slippery slope towards "changing history" by tearing down monuments of Confederate heroes and potentially, he has said, the Founding Fathers like George Washington, who owned slaves.

https://www.axios.com/what-steve-ban...473751951.html

08-16-2017 , 05:34 PM

#1408

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

True but usually if assaulted or fearing assault the correct course of action, if at all possible, is to get away to safety and let the police deal with it.

That's how civilised society should operate but here we're talking about a greater need to keep opposing.

chezlaw is reliably the chezziest.

08-16-2017 , 05:36 PM

#1409

chezlaw

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Of course

You really disagree with that post or are you just being fly?

08-16-2017 , 05:43 PM

#1410

Chips Ahoy

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History supporting the use of violence.

08-16-2017 , 05:49 PM

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prana

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Originally Posted by PoBoy321

The actual racists don white hoods, swastikas, ...
The wrongly accused have different clothes.

lol

08-16-2017 , 05:49 PM

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BOIDS

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the lets argue with nazis in the open and crush them with our objectively superior arguments reminds me a bit of this:

its a leaflet which was made by german jews in 1920 in response to growing anti-semitism and an emerging narrative that jews were not patriotic. it says something like '12000 jews died in defense of germany (ww1), jewish mothers grieve alongside german mothers'

am also reminded of the reports of german jewish war veterans wearing their ww1 medals of valor on the way to the chambers in the hope that they'd be spared

no, reasoning and argument with these pieces of human waste is not worthwhile

08-16-2017 , 05:49 PM

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Paul D

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http://uproxx.com/news/white-suprema...cries-warrant/

Geez this generation of Nazis aren't only even more stupid than the original ones, they're a bunch of crybabies.

08-16-2017 , 05:51 PM

#1414

lacticacid

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Originally Posted by pvn

odds that any cabinet secretaries resign before the end of the week?

We don't want them to resign do we? If they inclined to resign they might be inclined to enact the 25th amendment.

08-16-2017 , 05:51 PM

#1415

Upside Potential

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Originally Posted by PoBoy321

False dichotomy FTL.

08-16-2017 , 05:52 PM

#1416

PoBoy321

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Originally Posted by Upside Potential

False dichotomy FTL.

Are you saying that people who hold all of the same beliefs as actively organized racists, but don't wear the same outward symbols, can't be racists?

08-16-2017 , 05:55 PM

#1417

PoBoy321

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Originally Posted by prana

lol

And all of those a-holes are the ones that think because they're in khakis, that they can't be racists. Like that kid who as soon as **** started to get tough took his shirt off and started crying trying to claim that he wasn't really a white supremacist.

He was.

08-16-2017 , 06:17 PM

#1418

bigt2k4

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There had to be some undercover FBI agents in the protest. Why are there still only 5 arrests?

08-16-2017 , 06:18 PM

#1419

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

There had to be some undercover FBI agents in the protest. Why are there still only 5 arrests?

They weren't under cover. They were off duty.

08-16-2017 , 06:23 PM

#1420

6ix

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Originally Posted by microbet

A police presence is fine, but 1000 citizens would be better. Not better because they are more effective at violence, but because that shows the Nazis that they, the Nazis, are alone. Some police, doing their job, with a wide mix of personal feelings doesn't show much other than what the mayor and police chief think. If the police skip work and guard a synagogue, mosque, or black church while off duty, that would be powerful!

And if the situation were more coordinated they probably could've gotten those 1000.

IANAW seems to imply otherwise but I really can't be certain what he even means:

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

the lack of police protection at the synagogue seems to be the problem there

thankfully there were antifa fighters there to help out...

08-16-2017 , 06:25 PM

#1421

6ix

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Originally Posted by Bleh

LOL

I have blond hair and blue eyes and I'm ~6% Upper Mongolian/Eastern Asian Steppe.

These dudes are in for some bad times.

08-16-2017 , 06:28 PM

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Paul D

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Originally Posted by 6ix

I have blond hair and blue eyes and I'm ~6% Upper Mongolian/Eastern Asian Steppe.

These dudes are in for some bad times.

Tbh, if you said that was a publicity photo of Bieber for an interview, I'd belieb you.

08-16-2017 , 06:40 PM

#1423

6ix

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

Yet here we are, with the Civil Rights Act flipping the parties and everything!

Grunching but that's literally not at all relevant to the point he was making.

08-16-2017 , 06:50 PM

#1424

DrChesspain

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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem

let's remove every statue/symbol of anyone who isn't perfect. but we have to remove Christ as well.

This is just straight out trolling.

08-16-2017 , 06:50 PM

#1425

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

They weren't under cover. They were off duty.

I lol'd

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