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08-16-2017 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Nazi ideology is flawed both theoretically and empirically. Sifting debate will expose this. Violent repression will bury it.
No, just ****ing no. You can't ever debate Nazis. You don't fact check their bull****, you don't reason with them, you don't try to out logic them. The worst possible thing you can ever do is treat them like they are some sort of opposing ideology. It only gives them credibility. All of this **** has been tried and tried again. Germany did it with Hitler's, and shockingly we repeated it with the orange overlord. Go learn some ****ing history before you try to teach us what is and is not appropriate.
08-16-2017 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Bro we litigated and listened to Nazi beliefs like 80 years ago and afterwards summarily executed its leadership. There's nothing to be learned from listening to thinly veiled rehashings of this ideology, and its proponents aren't merely confused by the facts. They have deeply held core beliefs that align with the political philosophy they hold so dear; there's no line of Socratic questioning you can take that will lead them to some A HA! moment where they disavow Nazism or the alt-right. That's not realistic.

These people existed post Civil Rights Act and pre MAGA, but social pressure kept them from expressing their hate publicly in mixed company. That was ideal as it kept public space safe for vulnerable groups who might not be too keen on hearing torched chants by Nazi-flag-toting supremacists calling for the removal of Jews or what have you.

This can't be said enough: We need to focus on OUTCOMES, and do NOT need to achieve said outcomes by changing belief systems.

I do not need Nazis to recognize the err of their ways and THEN stop acting like Nazis, I just need them to stop acting like Nazis. Respond to them in such a way as to discourage their behavior and recreate norms that existed pre Trump that discouraged them from Nazi-ing it up. THAT'S THE GOAL.
Check your history. The US did not intervene to stop Nazi'ism. Hitler declared was on us after we declared war on Japan.

We didn't debate ideology. We just crushed it. And now here it is again. How's that for a results oriented approach?

The ranks of the alt right are swelling with young men. Young men. This isn't a coalition of intractable olds making one last grasp at glory, although of course they're showing up too.

Last edited by iamnotawerewolf; 08-16-2017 at 11:36 AM.
08-16-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
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OK, since you've read at least two things by MLK (I'll spot you I Have a Dream), how about you describe what Zombie MLK would have done were he reanimated prior to last weekend.
08-16-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Every f***ing single time. Sad.
did MLK use the phrase "direct action" to mean violence?

isn't violence what it refers to now?


I read King as using the phrase to involve counter-protest and legislation. What would MLK say about "punch a nazi"? Guess what, we don't have to guess.

You twisting his words to suit your purposes, against his desires, is kinda gross.
08-16-2017 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
OK, since you've read at least two things by MLK (I'll spot you I Have a Dream), how about you describe what Zombie MLK would have done were he reanimated prior to last weekend.
probably would have tried to eat someone's brains afaiu
08-16-2017 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
lol
Shamey's history of continued and active support of protests with the IWW is well documented. Baselessly mocking this will be considered trolling.
08-16-2017 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by will1530
No, just ****ing no. You can't ever debate Nazis. You don't fact check their bull****, you don't reason with them, you don't try to out logic them. The worst possible thing you can ever do is treat them like they are some sort of opposing ideology. It only gives them credibility. All of this **** has been tried and tried again. Germany did it with Hitler's, and shockingly we repeated it with the orange overlord. Go learn some ****ing history before you try to teach us what is and is not appropriate.
it is an opposing ideology though

so your plan is instantly out of touch with reality
08-16-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
did MLK use the phrase "direct action" to mean violence? isn't violence what it refers to now? I read King as using the phrase to involve counter-protest and legislation...
No. No. You misread.

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... You twisting his words to suit your purposes, against his desires, is kinda gross.
No again. You really should read up on a subject before you start commenting on it.
08-16-2017 , 11:36 AM
werewolf: it's time to stop poasting

08-16-2017 , 11:37 AM
How did I misread?
08-16-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
werewolf: it's time to stop poasting
I've already told you how you can make that happen.
08-16-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
it is an opposing ideology though

so your plan is instantly out of touch with reality


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...CARMcAEqrt7j6A
08-16-2017 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Not enough lols


sorry snowflake, no SAFE SPACE for nazis!
08-16-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Bro we litigated and listened to Nazi beliefs like 80 years ago and afterwards summarily executed its leadership. There's nothing to be learned from listening to thinly veiled rehashings of this ideology, and its proponents aren't merely confused by the facts. They have deeply held core beliefs that align with the political philosophy they hold so dear; there's no line of Socratic questioning you can take that will lead them to some A HA! moment where they disavow Nazism or the alt-right. That's not realistic.
Yeah.

Like there two ways to read werewolf here.

1) Despite education and pop culture being both universally and stridently clear that Nazis Are Bad, these Nazis plum missed the memo, but WEREWOLF will convince them with his superior logic and misplaced apostrophes.

That's the charitable version. The correct version is

2) Werewolf isn't a Nazi himself, of course not, but there's something about their nihilistic contrarianism that sends a tingle down his leg. Kind of one sided, the debate on extermination of Jews. Wouldn't it prove how open minded and logical he is to examine that on the Logical Merits and come out with a position the normies are Too Stupid To Understand?
08-16-2017 , 11:42 AM
Nazi sympathizer itt
08-16-2017 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
"loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument has past"

well said, Sartre


I think Milo is a professional troll. Spencer I think believes his garbage, though.


Frankly, I'm more concerned with recruitment and growing fringe associations that with a devoted core.

I fail to see how the Ultimatum approach is supposed to help - how effective is Deterrence elsewhere in the public sphere?
08-16-2017 , 11:54 AM
I love making fun of the South, primarily because it's fun during college football season, but yeah of course stupid right wing white people are equally insufferable and prevalent basically everywhere. I live in Columbus, by far the most educated city in OH, and am basically completely surrounded by right wing idiots. It gets old in a hurry.
08-16-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
How did I misread?
Neither M.King or M.Gandhi "invented" direct action, not the tactics, nor did they coin the term itself. They were acting in a long known praxis complete with history and theory and traditions and even shrines (below). You can't understand direct action only from the context of M.King... just like you can't understand M.King, without putting him into the context of direct action.

You should have took the advice of FlyWf above, and actually read Letter from Birmingham Jail. M.King describes direct action quite well in it. Suffice to say, it's a deep topic. A topic you should take the time to read up on... before you start spewing on about.

08-16-2017 , 12:02 PM
Baltimore Removes Confederate Statues in Overnight Operation

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The small crowds that did appear were “celebratory,” said Baynard Woods, the editor at large of The Baltimore City Paper. “The police are being cheerful and encouraging people to take photos and selfies,” Woods said.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/baltimo...ight-operation
08-16-2017 , 12:14 PM
That weird moment when you feel a twinge of pride that your leader isn't a nazi apologist. The bar now being so low that being a remotely decent human being rather than utter trash is a postive that requires reiterating.

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May said: “I see no equivalence between those who propound fascist views and those who oppose them. I think it is important for all those in positions of responsibility to condemn far-right views wherever we hear them.”
08-16-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
I love making fun of the South, primarily because it's fun during college football season, but yeah of course stupid right wing white people are equally insufferable and prevalent basically everywhere. I live in Columbus, by far the most educated city in OH, and am basically completely surrounded by right wing idiots. It gets old in a hurry.
Speaking of Columbus: yard signs are the real enemy:

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I'm sure you've seen the yard sign by now. It started popping up shortly after Donald Trump became president of the United States. The sign has three colored rectangles that contain the statement: "No matter where you are from, we're glad you're our neighbor." The green rectangle is in Spanish; the blue rectangle is in English; and the yellow rectangle is in Arabic. (Why not in Urdu, Farsi or Bahasa Indonesian?). It started in Virginia and has spread to liberal homes across America.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thoma...ine-liberalism

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Take my city of Dublin, Ohio, where I've seen the yard sign.
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Ironically, the sign is offensive, as the enlightened liberals who place it in their yard do so for two reasons. The first is they want everyone to know that they are enlightened and welcoming people, unlike Trump and his supporters who, they believe, want to kick all non-white citizens out of America. This purpose fits the liberal's belief that, despite their public support of egalitarianism, they are, in fact, intellectually and morally superior to those knuckle-dragging, God-fearing, gun-toting deplorables of whom they aren't very welcoming.

The second more insidious and offensive reason is they want to send a message to their Trump-supporting neighbors that they know those unenlightened neighbors don't welcome people no matter where they are from. Their only "proof" for this belief is that their neighbors are conservatives. This passive-aggressive attempt to shame their neighbors into either putting up a sign to show they, too, are welcoming, or, by failing to do so, admit they must not be welcoming of others is the morphing of bumpersticker politics to the front yard that is part of America's civic war.
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Here's how I see it. If you want to prove a point to your neighbors about how welcoming and enlightened you are, then stop lecturing them with a vapid yard sign, put your principles where your mouth is, and move your family to a truly diverse area. Show me, don't tell me; or stick the yard sign in the recycling bin and soothe yourself with a trip to Whole Foods.
I mean, sure, putting up a yard sign is a pretty empty gesture, but I'm pretty happy to be the guy with the sign in my yard instead of arguing for Nazis. And if that makes people think that I'm shaming them for not being on the same side, then I'm pretty ok with that, too.

Not a super big fan of Ohio right now.
08-16-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
No, just ****ing no. You can't ever debate Nazis. You don't fact check their bull****, you don't reason with them, you don't try to out logic them. The worst possible thing you can ever do is treat them like they are some sort of opposing ideology.
trump 2020 is such a dead cert
look at what they have on the other side
they all think like this
lol
08-16-2017 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Actually, she's right; the Navajo indians also used swastikas as symbols. I think a lot of different cultures used it at some point or other.


Fiverr prank imo
08-16-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
As for solidarity, I cannot in good conscience abide well-intentioned people acting against their own interests...
We've already been over the fact that you don't know what's in the "teams" best interest. You have no idea. You are just pulling this shiz out of your butt. Remember?

Two, it's incredibly patronizing to assume you know how to do other people's shiz better than they know how to do it themselves. Even if you listened to and understood their positions (which you do not seem the least interested in doing). Even if you were coming from a position of knowledge (which you are not). Even if you were in some way actually and factually correct (which, BTW you are not either... but that's a whole different story).

Again, even if the TE was also the position coach for the Cs. Even if he knew for a fact the C sucked. He's still not helping the "team" by going on ESPN all week long knocking his own "team" and whining about how the C sucks. He'd better help the "team" if he'd engage with the C and be a coach. Failing that, he'd better help the "team" simply by doing the STFU.

How is this at all a controversial statement ??

      
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