http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-bomber-know/

I guess I'll have to be the one to point out the Quran itself never proscribes any earthly punishment for apostates.

A total and complete shutdown of men entering the country until we can figure out what's going on.

Is it better or worse than the one he did with Charles Murray that you ate **** defending?

You and I actually had pretty much this same exchange in November of 2015:

Since I can just see Tien seething with white hot rage now, I acknowledge now as I did then that of course this is overly reductionist:

But in the end:

1. sometimes dudes get super violent
2. maybe religious zealotry or cultural factors play a role but usually a reductionist explanation for a complicated phenomenon to explain lots of different examples of things is more useful than a highly specific one
3. perhaps there is no 'solution' at all and it's not clear anyone is entitled to one

Lol that is a great line.

Better.

You should watch Exposure: Jihad a British Story. The documentary explains motives by former Jihadists. In terms of British Muslims going extreme, it seems to be a factor of alienation, hatred or bullying as a youth for being different, and not people without motives just joykilling.

In actual news the bomb seemed to be pretty sophisticated so the police may believe that there is an active cell instead of just a lone guy.

Paul D - I'm not arguing terrorists are joykilling, thrill killing or engaged in some kind of corrupted masuline fantasies. Alienation is easily reconciled with what I laid out; these guys feel like they are disrespected and lack dignity and are emasculated and join warrior death cults as a response.

I always think the implicit subtext in #3 is something like "Well if we can't come up with a good solution, I guess we'll just let the angry mob find one for us. Our of our hands."

The angry mob isn't waiting for permission from sober rational people. I don't think we're gonna be able to talk *******s into reason if we put our heads together a while longer.

I was referring to your "sometimes dudes get superviolent." That sounded more like Charles Whitman type of dudes than dudes who go through alienation as youths and get swept up by radical Imams' messages or read extremist sites online and then get groomed to become suicide bombers. Not trying to be a nit.

I was thinking of something more along the lines of Kristallnacht - where the angry mob is let off the leash and egged on.

Right. Thanks for your comments autocratic they are rather excellent. Male culture has ghettoized males in my opinion. Male graduation rates are lower. males are more likely to go to prison. They are more likely to have no friends. They are less likely to go to college. They are more likely to commit suicide. And the real reason is their culture sucks. They don't help each other. They are always competing over things that they could be sharing. A lot of guys complain about how horrible there jobs are and the boss and owner is usually male. Guys could know each other for 15 years and not really know about each other at all, like they will talk about problems on a superficial level and never discuss their real problems even with their best friends in many cases. Guys are destroyed by other guys and then they blame it on females.

we've created a huge underclass of guys on the order of millions who dont talk to anybody or have any social skills on the order of millions and a lot ofthem voted for trump because no one cares about them at all.

Could be why May jacked up the threat level.

I think Phone Booth has made this point before but young women are usually treasured across all cultures and times and societies have proven time and again they are willing to throw tons of young men into the veritible wood chipper to sacrifice themselves for the state in wars or simply to labor hard and die.

Not much has change but lip service; we remain slightly complex chimps and the lowest X% of men are functionally surplus. Not much use to reproduce with; no reason to share power or status or cooperate with them. It's perhaps predictable some percentage of low social value males have deduced their relative valueless status and are very very angry about it. Some become GamerGaters, others blow up young girls at a pop concert.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...al-manchester/

May deploying active military troops to the streets is either a very bad sign that there's more terrorism to come or a very bad sign that the UK is about make the PATRIOT Act look like it was written by Rand Paul.

Ok so first off I don't see an obvious solution but it seems like a pretty vicious cycle that could actually be solved. I mean yeah the "lowest 15%" of men are always going to have it tough just as the lowest 15% of women are always going to have it tough. but I think because of male culture it ruins guys in the 15-40% range for no reason. its not an oppresive system set up by women , its an oppressive system by 1% of guys against the other 90% . Look the gayest thing about me is my sexual attraction to guys and unlike some people I actually like guys. So I actually see guys all the time who I find attractive who other girls would actually want to date put no effort into dating at all. They have no social skills they are unkempt but with a little effort they would be great. I want to **** them. BUT NOOO

instead they get treated like slave labor by a boss who hates them because of their own poor choices, they play video games all the time, they are confrontational for no reason and never share their actual feelings or dress up.
And at the root of it i think its because guys dont care about other guys. They have a culture of violence instilled in them.

yeah, mix in basic logic and probability with more science, while limiting jihad studies to 4 hours a day, then we just might yet achieve some meaningful errr

The Brits don't have posse comitatus? What century are y'all living in?

lol, next you'll tell me they still have monarchs.

I'm not sure I understand all or even most of this but I largely agree with the parts I follow.

I still think even most of the lowest 15% of women can expect some level of dignity and respect and affection whereas the lowest say quintile or bottom 15% of men may simply be **** out of luck. That more than perhaps more classical Freudian explanations are my pop psych explanations for why anti social behaviors, particularly of the 'anxious masculinity' kind are pervasive. You'd much rather be a low social status female than a male in almost all times and places imo. Some very obvious caveats apply. And this is obviously a little circular (women naturally won't rant and lash out at being seen as effeminate). And reductive.

The Brits are already less free than America when it comes to individual rights. Their Patriot Act is integrated into their laws.

Ideologically, individual rights are perceived differently in the US compared to other democratic societies. Europe views individual rights through the lens of the collective good. That's why publicly denying the Holocaust can result in arrest in countries such as France and Germany. This perception of individual rights carries into the UK as well.

Meanwhile, the US values individual autonomy more than the collective good. So yeah Holocaust denial is not to the benefit of society in America, but to restrict the actions of the individual because it hurts other people is considered un-American.

Dvaut, ok so I have a serious point I would like to make in response to this but I can't quite articulate it. This is where instead of being able to articulate my real actual point I just say something crazy that is tangentially related to my actual point and then people get mad /ignore me.

I will say I cant quite bring myself to agree with the bolded. There are many many social situations where the man has the upper hand but most men don't seem to know how it..... works.

Don't think I agree with that. More like women have never had much power/status in society to begin with, so the rage over a loss of respect isn't there. Also, they just don't have the outlets to join militias or ISIS the way menfolk do.

Also, they're usually not expected to be the ones worried about honor and virility and all the usual ****. Whether that's cultural or biological is an argument for another day, but if you're a woman who's been marginalized, there aren't a lot of archetypes of women valiantly restoring their dignity on the battlefield.