Thank **** Merkel is around.

I'm wondering if some better educated politicians in the EU remember that a terrible deal/terms for any country in Europe will almost certainly cause extremism and ultimately war ten+ years down the line...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

I find that it's a fifty fifty split, half are like the above still in the denial stage, the other half straight to anger

why don't you google it? far better than me explaining it imo.

i'm not surprised you don't understand considering your "reality" is where you believe millions of united states citizens don't move to a new state each and every year for varying reasons.

Waiting times for doctors and hospital appointments have increased greatly. That's one of the reasons a lot more elderly people voted out imo - not racism as such. Elderly people tend to use those services a lot more than young people.

(Not saying they voted right obviously)

What? I doubt there's a top level politician in any country in the EU who doesn't know about the Treaty of Versailles.

:sigh:

There were major issues with the referndum - including blatent lies told by Farage etc that could have been significant, and 16/17 year olds couldn't vote. We now know that they are largely in favour of remaining, so that part of the "democracy" blantanty failed as they couldn't express this. It's also clear that a significant number of people had no idea what they were voting for.

I think your comment about "hating democracy" is actually pretty funny, and I'm guess that you have little idea about how democracy works in the UK.

Note that I'm not saying that there should neccesarily be another refeundum or that it should be ignored, but there are issues to be addressed and the binary referendum result said nothing about the terms of exit and any agreements etc that may form part of that.

Goodluck getting a trade deal with the US. Also wont make the connection between negotiations and what footwear to buy.

Some of those have to be wind ups. There's a competition on another forum I post on to see who can get the most negative votes on a comment on the Daily Mail's site.

This is the same Merkel that negotiated with the PIIGS. That what you want?

Anyone think there's any chance of a free trade deal with free movement but where we can actually implement the benefits changes that were in the Tory manifesto?

And would the people accept it?

If this is the result of a bigger population, that must mean that more tax is paid to the Treasury. Therefore there's more public money available to build new doctor's clinics and hospitals and employ more NHS staff..

Why can't this be resolved by voting for the party who you think will invest most/best in the NHS, instead of voting Out?

Jfc, of course they are. We've seen this before, the fear mongering is part of trying to influence the vote. This is one of the problems with the EU, they are not interested in being up front in these matters.

NHS itself says to stay in because NHS is reliant on immigrant doctors and nurses.

Brexit makes the situation worse, not better.

if the nike shoes are £80 and the adidas ones are £120 cos countertariffs, people will notice

Oh, I forgot you are that guy. Never mind.

do you have no shame?

Why do you think the US would give the UK a better trade deal then the EU? Also th US already stated there wont be a trade deal with the UK unless they have one with the EU.

Yeah not saying they are right at all; just that's one more reason behind the vote imo.

Problems are that there's no general election until 2020 so no chance to change until then, and the Remain campaign led by Tories were hardly going to tell the oldies the real solution was to vote Labour at the next election (plus Labour are pretty much unelectable at the moment). So they basically listened to Boris when he told them it's because there's too many people.

What are you talking about? In 2014, over 7 million US citizens migrated to a new state.

lol ya my point exactly. louis over there thinks that millions of americans do not move to a new state each and every year for varying reasons. boggles my mind. thats his reality tho its no wonder he cannot understand something a little more complex

if for some reason france was to frexit the eu would be toast. so with brexit marine la pen actually has the possibility of destroying the eu.

This is one of many things that terrifies me. From what I understand most of our environmental protection laws are European rather than British. I haven't source checked this properly so don't take my word for it. Cameron acknowledges than man-made climate change is a reality. Unfortuantely, he made Liz Truss, who is a weapons grade moron, Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.

Well the Labour party crippled the NHS with PFI debt (during the boom years too!) and the Conservatives want to part privatise it so the choice isn't great.

Also building hospitals, schools, homes etc takes time. If you don't know how many people will be living in an area how can you plan adequately?

French aren't that interested in a frexit, they reap huge benefits. The only ones who can destroy the EU is the EU.

because the US are motivated by US interests (eg jobs in detroit). the EU is motivated by EU interests (eg jobs in germany) AND punishing us for leaving so that no1 else does. if you get too punitive then we'll get a better deal with the US. as the german finance minister reportedly once said, i dont like it but i'll have to go along with it.

like, you seem to think that you'd be doing us a massive favour by negotiating a trade deal. access to our domestic markt has value. if you dont want to benefit from that then we'll find someone who does.