it will be

I mean i an not going into details but i am currently funding the education of someone and plan to do so for at least two others in the near future and potentially more besides when it is affordable for me to do so, all in a developing nation. Last summer i volunteered in a special needs school in Kuala Lumpur and i specifically donate to charities that help the most needy in the world.

I have some thoughts of starting a small charity in the future when it is feasible to do similar to what i will be doing privately, funding education for those who have great potential but cannot achieve that on their own. Essentially a scholarship.

The reason i don't care as much for the needy here is there are few who are needy here and those that are can be helped here by the government in ways the actually poor truly desperate don't have abroad.

I support the nhs, government assistance for the needy, free schooling to 18 and subsidised higher education for the poor and so on.

I am not against improving the situation here, which BTW voting out of Europe won't do anyway, but i am also not wrapped up in prejudice that i believe someone being born in my country is more worthy. That's at least xenophobic, probably racist too depending on the situation.

If England leaves, Spain should bombard Gibraltar and all its tax cheating smugglers.

Pretty surprised the money has come in for leave overnight. I thought stay clearly won the debate.

This is the difference between leave and stay. British culture is great and not all cultures are the same. Caring about the person that shares your culture and your values and very often your religion is better in my eyes than caring about a random person half way around the world, and you think thats ridiculous.

I want Britain to be ruled by the British and not some un elected technocrat in Brussels. Gotta be a racist right. rofl go live in Brussels

Why do you have such a strong opinion on the matter if you're not even in the EU?

Like i said mate, fair play, i respect what you're doing and would guess that EU votes aside we have more in common than not.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, although i would argue that on a geo-political level, the uk is more morally obligated to act in the interests of its citizens first and above those living abroad, or at least in a way that is not detrimental to those citizens in the name of helping those abroad. A uk citizen is not more worthy per se, but should be a higher priority on the list of uk politicians, is essentially what i am saying.

What are your thoughts in a nutshell on the syrian refugee crisis? The EU response? Merkel, numbers, etc.

This.

And this again.

I fail to see any credible line of reasoning that counters or negates this very basic sentiment.

The argument that Britain is ruled by Europe and not the British so let's vote in a referendum to do what they don't want us to do and leave is self defeating.

Nearly twice that age, but yea not surprised that you are surprised by someone wanting to be rational about this issue and not go on uninformed belly feels.

The degree to which the UK is ruled by the EU is not some thing you base on personal experience, its a purely formal technocratic issue.

When you actually understand the degree to which EU can control the UK the whole I dont want to be ruled by the EU becomes a statement of pure unadulterated nonsense, it does not come close to reflecting any kind of reality.

There is no such thing as British culture in the sense you use it.

Culture can only be observed as a snapshot, a single moment in time measuring a constantly changing and evolving thing.

British culture changes rapidly in my lifetime. It changed rapidly in my parents lifetime. Their parents lifetime. All the way back to whichever branch of my family tree got to the country first.

Cultural change is so inevitable the idea it can be stopped is ridiculous. And as history has shown any attempt to do so is itself a force that corrupts and alters that culture. It is a fundamentally impossible undertaking.

I do want to be ruled by the EU. Not today exactly but it seems like the right way to go.

Constitutional legal expert explains how much power the EU actually has over the UK.

Good talk that. Worth listening to for his views on what happens if we brexit. Cliff notes - dont.

Haven't got time to watch. Can anyone fill me in in what he says about how little control the EU has in allowing nations to control and manage mass immigration from other parts of the EU? ta.

Its 24 minutes, just fit it in before making the vote.

im not gonna watch youtube videos, but the rules are that you can refuse people looking for welfare benefits and criminals, but not workers. or something like that.

Good grief. Having watched that I regret that this referendum is taking place now, because very few of his killer points ever get seriously debated.

Well since the Syrian refugee crisis is linked to IS which is linked to the 2nd Iraq war where the UK played along you should be quiet because so far you have done very little to help there. You can judge Merkel all you want but we and a lot of other european Nations have to clean up this mess which the UK was part of creating it.

What would the Queen say? But then, she is German. So perhaps you deserve it.

No one with a shred of human decency would state the quoted above and be able to look at themselves in the mirror with anything but a mountain of shame. And I think your face just melted.

Not that the UK really matters that much anymore.

Cheers, Chez - starting drinking early tomorrow.

Basically the only Leave programme that can avoid an economic trainwreck is the Norway option. Under the Norway option, it's exactly like being in the EU, including the free movement of labour, and we'd have access to the single market, but we'd still pay in, we'd lose our rebate and all the paybacks and benefits that we get, we'd still have to follow all the regs and we'd have absolutely no say. In the Norwegians' view it's not that great.

Anything else means an inevitable economic trainwreck.

your post count suggests you have lots of time

I don't see the big deal. Nation states are rapidly withering away towards being little more than which teams support. When I say rapidly, I of course mean very slowly by most peoples views of political time.

The huge excitement for us saddo's will be a very early and long Friday morning watching the results dribble in. I will raise a glass to you before I stagger off to bed. cheers

I officially have Brexit fatigue. Don't care if we stay or go, just want it over.