Continued access to the single market will be conditional on, among other things, free movement of labour, so leaving the EU will make no difference to the position on immigration, except that the UK will have no say in that or any other EU policy.

Not entirely sure why the authorities at HMP Belmarsh are allowing Mair to have internet access, but apparently they are.

Can you explain this a little deeper? What would peoples' eyes be opened to?

I value the unskilled highly and equally no matter what flag is in their passport.

I especially love the unskilled from developing nations. I have found them to be nicer people with a stronger work ethic and a higher moral calibre than the unskilled in developed nations.

Its stupid people who think they know better than the actual experts i can't stand. Especially when, to use an Americanism, they were born on third and complain they are finishing on first because of their laziness mixed with terrible terrible decisions.

The fact the lazy and stupid will make a choice that will harm the hard working and intelligent for no gain whatsoever because of their own spiteful ignorance does genuinely offend me.

Leaving the eu makes us worse off economically and financially, it lowers our influence in the world and it likely won't even affect migration numbers any better than any other self inflicted recession would. And as for the sovereignty argument wake me up when you want to leave nato then I'll take that argument seriously.

The main thing that is going to lead to a messy trade situation with EU is that it we Brexit but then end up with the same immigration, there will be riots.

Feel free to quote the guardian some more. And dropping the Mair bomb was a bit bad taste.

I would expect more likelihood of rioting over the inevitable economic consequences.

I can't find a single correct thing in this post.

Maybe but the point is its going to be almost politically impossible to Brexit and then be all well, um yea, eh immigration gonna be the same guys, yep, sorry bout that, but dont think EU is going to cut any slack because of that reality.

I assume you must live in a slice of middle england.

Some of us care about our neighbors rather than people on the other side of the world. Nationalism isn't a bad word, nor is democracy

Sure but just mark that **** on the list we have of stuff my team told team stupid about this referendum.

There won't be riots. Who is even rioting and where and for what? There could be significant political movements however.

Say we vote out, Cameron is probably going soon after and then replaced one must assume with a face of leave. Maybe one with dumb floppy hair who knows. Then the inevitable happens.

I can see Tories getting solidly screwed over in the next general because of an out vote. The groundwork is already set for arguing that "if it was so important why did you let me vote out!"

Lol last month i lived in the town with the record number of asylum seekers and high migration alongside that and my current area in the north east is pretty close to there still.

Not a problem, i have read every single post you have contributed to this thread and not found a crumb of worth in any of it. As someone so eloquently pointed out already, you are "an aspiring pen pusher", i wouldn't expect anything too different.

I guess we just see the world differently and hold different priorities and I'm sure we can both live with that.

The idea i should care about one stranger living somewhere I've never been to over a different stranger living somewhere I've never been to is ****ing ridiculous.

The difference between us is i care about the poor and disadvantaged and you don't.

That is why nationalism is a bad word. It is spiteful selfish hatred of those who have least. Mostly for racial reasons.

The incorrectness of your post has very little to do with subjectivity.

Pray tell what you do for the poor and disadvantaged that gives you authority to throw such words around? Talk is very cheap and if you are for one minute trying to suggest that a person is morally obliged to "care" more about the disadvantaged of a foreign land than for those on their own doorstep you are truly warped.

As i already pointed out, it means nothing either way to people like you because you have no investment in any of it, you are busy formulating intellectual standpoints in a vacuum.

Feel free to correct me if i am wrong. If you have got off your ass and done something to help poor and disadvantaged then credit and kudos where it is due and i am not too proud to say it either. But too many throw words like that around with nothing to back it up but ideals and it makes me sick and somewhat agitated.

The thing is if you are giving an opinion based on your own individual experience all the aggregated data shows your experience as specific to you and not the reality of the wider social process.

Its the realities of the wider social process that people who want to really think about this issue are interested in and for that you need empirical data, which again refutes basically 100% of your post.

That's one way of looking at it.

Another is that you are forming a purely academic opinion based on a collection of sterile, third-hand data, the integrity and accuracy of which you are unable to measure, most likely while sat in your undies in front of an ipad.

At least i am being honest and basing my views mostly/partly on my own experiences as a life-long uk citizen. Of course i listen to a bit of radio 4 here and there, but i do not base my opinions solely on news articles, studies and the opinion of "experts".

Its quite obvious that your opinion is completely sterilized of any input from experts,studies or objective information.

Its also probably a fluke that your personal experience corresponds so completely with memes from the Sun/ Daily Mail.

Ok sport

Colour me suprised that the basic argument of an OUT voter is " What u reading foah?"

Guy pays out of his own pocket to put add in Metro:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/22/who-is.../?ito=facebook

If you are over the age of 25 and out of full-time education then colour me surprised to boot.

It seems to me that, in discussion of trade agreements post-Brexit, those on the Remain side in this thread are making the implict assumption that the (remainder of) the EU will remain intact.

the most infuriating part of all is that it really is win-win. eu immigration is great for immigrants, but they also pay far more in taxes than they consume, so they prop up all those services, like the nhs, that people worry so much about.

it's also about as congenial a group as you'll find. fellow europeans, many of them coming from countries that were stuck as part of the soviet union for half a century. and still it can be the main driver of all this and powerful enough that people are willing to take on serious economic risk to avoid it. there really is no hope, or at least not until all the old people die.