but none of those people want more immigration from outside the eu either. they just want less from the eu.

Many deny that. Some might not even believe it. There seems to be done genuine support for points based immigration across the board, I'm not a fan at all but I can understand that pov.

I agree there are a vary large group within the leave who are just against immigration full stop but I'm not sure they make up most of those who discuss politics.

Maybe they don't make up most of the posters who discuss politics but they tend to be prolific posters and probably do make up a large proportion of the posts itt.

If you read between the lines and look at the questions that go unanswered or fudged you'll see this.

FTSE 100 at 1 year high.
FTSE 250 above pre result levels.


Expectation: 98% doomsayers will tell us we have to wait a while for brexit to cause the end of western political civilisation, it won't happen overnight. But it's definitely coming.

Now just let Trump win, then the world is complete.

The parallels between the debate over Trump with that we had over Brexit are quite eerie.

Clinton needs to find something positive to offer because relying on project fear is a risky business from someone not particularly popular or trusted themselves.

Well, one should at least wait until some actual brexit happens.

Huge market crash on day after, when the world actually expected Cameron to immediately activate article 50 - and then a moderate recovery once things settle down and it becomes clear to all there won't be any brexit happening any time soon is not any kind of proof that you haven't completely ****ed over our country for generations.

"The end of western political civilisation" is obviously ridiculous.

Things such as Vauxhall not choosing Ellesmere Port to make the 2019 Astra and instead choosing somewhere in Spain - These things clearly will take time to happen. Will there be enough bonus industry from a newly invigorated UK free of Brussels red tape to make up for such things? who knows! nobody will for many years.

boomsday news, GSK just shoved a quarter billion investment into UK on the back of the weak pound

Indeed which it seemed not many on the remain side were willing to acknowledge. The Brexiters didn't know either but many were aware the experts who insisted doom and gloom was inevitable were making it up. It could be a disaster, it's risky, but no-one knows and wont for many many years.

Another point for the doom and gloom camp is that Brexit can be used as excuse. Any company wanting to get rid of people, pay them less, not give rises etc have an excuse now. LLoyds Bank getting rid of 200 branches and 3000 jobs could be an example of this.

Yep Brexit will be an excuse to squeeze pay no doubt. Can just hear the bosses of companies using the "due to uncertainty that lies ahead, pay has been frozen" for the next few years.

I don't really understand why Lloyds needs an excuse for making business decisions but there you go.

PR

There's been a lot of political pressure and bad publicity against branch closures especially after we bailed the banks out. Plus I think we still own ~10% of LLoyds.

PR to who if we know it is BS!

Posting partly for not letting this slide out of sight.

How a ya mate?


Don't try to get the foolishness buried.

I am curious if people like the Australian system despite its white bias and racism, or because of it.

a brump?

is it at all possible they may like a different system without racism?

Will "Immigration Issue" Spell The End For German Chancellor Angela Merkel?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-attacks.html

It sounds a bit incongruous when a politician like Merkel states that people cannot let "fear" dictate policy. She obviously never heard or read Richard Nixon's sage advice concerning what really motivates people. Mr. Nixon said: "They don't teach this in Sunday school, but it's true: People respond to fear, not love."

If Merkel is forced out and the hard right party in Germany takes power, I wonder if Germany will be the next country to vote to exit the EU?

And European shares change in same period in US Dollar terms?

"Thousands" in a protest is not a great number.

Be careful how you take anything from the Daily Mail - it's been running a fervently anti-EU campaign for decades, and would like nothing more than to see it disbanded altogether. Remember, this is the odious little rag that supported Hitler in the '30s and hates Johnny Foreigner.

Pharmaceuticals are an atypical sector. The markets are currently reacting to positive indicators from April, before the vote. Financial analysts say that business confidence has gone down since the vote, and you know what that means. The Chancellor, when asked if recession is on the cards, guardedly says it's too soon to tell what the economic effects of the vote will be, and you know what that means too.

I'm sure there racism as part of it for many but even so the vast majority of people believe in some system of immigration selection - even those pro-EU mostly believe in immigration selection by some method for people outside of the EU.

Australian immigration is almost entirely skill based. It is the refugee part that is racist and horrible. For a working visa you just need to make your 110 points or whatever it is these days or get sponsored by a company and you are in. Hard to call immigration racist when the majority of new immigrants are from China and India with the UK coming a distant third.

I think this image caption says it all (bolded by me):

"Despite the massive waves of criticism from right-wingers (pictured, Berlin, today, wearing a shirt that says The German Reich lives within us), Merkel defended her policy this week."

So obviously she has to listen to these guys...