I kinda see the EU like a wife beater and people like Jalfrezi calling its people wanting to leave xenophobic being similar to a wife being called a misandrist for wanting to leave her abusive husband

Cost of trade and cost of work. And if the BP is like @1.10 or so, what will UK export?
And btw - most of international transport |trucking| "is doing" by Romanians ( people from that countries). UK truckers don´t do that job.

You are talking about a bank, that´s fine. They can pay whatever they want.
Small and medium companies are "used" to pay X now, let´s see if they can pay "Y" in the future...
Or if they want...
Or relocate.


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But if yes wins it´s a good experiment to see. As an outsider im curious. If things go okey, maybe my countrie and others start thinking in doing that, leaving.
As i said, it´s not only UK that suffers from this...
But i guess... Uk people are too pride ( and im sorry xenofofic - i know lots of people that work in the UK, some for 20y and they all feel unwelcome).
.... Here we like people from UK, and don´t care if they do crazzy stuff in the summer (getting so drunk and making a mess everywhere lol), i guess it´s because the pounds lol.

Btw offtopic
Like 10 m ago i gave some directions to a couple from UK, in english... but i don´t like that; It goes both ways; start learning the language as all people learn when go to UK or France.

Let´s see... about the UE and the "poor countries" ( poor than mine that enter):

- Portugal ( my place): construction market destroyed, working in cleaning and that stuff and cafes too ( in big cities) btw - noone do that here, so, don´t matter. Here natives refuse to do that.

- Spain: same

- France: same ( cutting grapes and so for champagne 80% migrants), natives don´t want to do it or just do it for like a stupid amount of money for that simple job.. and they are very slow ( it could take 5 years to cut all grapes of a season lol);

- Germany: same.

- UK: same.

There is a common thing. Natives of all countries don´t want to do **** jobs in their place ( because most of people have degrees). Don´t do it because of shame or low payment.

You ppl may not know (because refuse to interact w\ foreigners)... but there are a lot of people cleaning toilets in UK with masters degrees working with native illiterates, and producing 100% more. A trucker that i know always said... when he goes unload the truck - a single Romanian do the job of 4 natives lol. Here and everywhere is the same... a Romanian here do the job of 4 of us too.
The "Low skilled" its relative.

If it´s because this: all countries should leave the UE, make a big TRUMP wall, and live in a bubble.

People in UK are xenophobic (not all, like 80%). It´s a fact.
I know that very well. It´s sickening.
It´s my opinion. Maybe all countries are... IDK.

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English husband of my gf's cousin (they live in UK) had some interesting things to say about TRUMP - didn't necessarily endorse him but thought it was good that he's "getting things out in the open that other people are afraid to say". Oh and if he was prime minister of the UK he would put a proverbial barbed wire fence around the country.

Pretty revolting analogy between an economic union and domestic abuse.

So your gf's cousin's husband is an English bigot. So what?

Lots of people throughout the world are xenophobic: it's only topical now in the UK because of the referendum.

Make up your mind.

Hahahah you are hilarious 😂

Your educationally subnormal posts are the main attraction here.

Everybody's a winner buddy

Keep up son. Go wikipedia what import tariffs are.

People really misunderstand why the single market is so good for our trade.

Its got nothing to do with us buying German steel or French brie or whatever Portugal makes. They won't tariff their own goods.

Its about us selling goods to them. Until we are in the FTZ, a process could that takes years, we will be hit with protectionist tariffs on our exports to Europe. This is why it is terrible for our manufacturers.

Oh and once in the FTZ we will still be paying tariffs on some goods. The FTZ isn't just "the single market with none of the other EU stuff".

Once we leave the eu it isn't a partnership at all, let alone it is no longer a partnership of equals. They will act in their own best interests and we need Europe a lot more than they need us for trade.

Except we spend £100bn more on goods than we export.

Should the EU decide to put tariffs on our exports, we'll just respond by putting the same one on their imports.

Given that the discrepancy is heavily in our favour, the most likely outcome is no tariffs either way, as that's in everyone's favour.

i think the main question if england/uk wants to join the eea is the free movement of people. that's not something that can be negotiated. it's a requirement. if the leavers are ready to accept that then the most likely outcome is no tariffs. if they're not then it will make trade much more difficult.

england also sends a much larger share of it's export to the eu than the other way around, so the eu will have an awful lot of leverage.

The impact to exports will be swallowed by numerous countries, however the UK exports 44% of its exports to the EU.

Given the EU will have to show leaving has consequences, and they can absorb any shocks over several economies, we are in a much weaker negotiating position.

The only way we end up with no tariffs is if we basically end up in the position we are now but with no power or representation in the EU.

They might not but the UK may be forced to impose import duties under WTO rules that generally forbid discriminatory duty rates. The big exception to those rules is that countries can set up a regional group within which free trade is permitted, eg the EU Single Market.

I'm getting tired of people talking about Norway and Switzerland as though their 'free trade agreement' is some kind of equivalent to what we have now.

Sell a lot of stuff on Ebay - it's what I do for a living. Almost every time I send something costing more than £17.50 to Norway I get a begging message asking me to understate the cost on the customs form (which I have to fill out for these countries) so that they can avoid the huge import duty.

I sell 45% of my goods directly into the EU. If we get a free trade agreement like Norway's I might as well quit and draw benefits until I retire.

Free trade my arse.

We spend €89bn in Germany, and €1bn in Romania, so it's just too simple to say "we buy from the EU".

^ Nobody wants or expects a full-on trade war after a Brexit, that's what i meant earlier with "(some) trade will continue anyway". That is not to mean that trade will remain at the present level, it most likely won't.

OUT is deceiving when they claim they can get an equal/better trade deal without accepting free movement. The EU rolling over and giving post-brexit UK a sweet deal is essentially suicide for the EU/EEA, this won't happen even if it means accepting lower trade levels as a result. Germany may not like losing out on trade with the UK, but they'll eat up considerable losses before risking the entire EEA.

The EU does have more leverage just based on total market size/share and there will be lots of political pressure to go hard in these negotiations. Again, this has nothing to do with "punishing" the UK but is all about protecting the remaining EEA.

We export about 220Bn as a single entity so we as a single country stand to lose a lot more than any single country in the EU.

Given Germany is the third largest exporter in the world, it is much better placed to absorb impacts to its export to the UK than the UK is to the EU as a whole.

If only a remain would shake up the EU and sovereignty debate, instead if its a remain with 51% in favor everyone will pretend like the UK is on board and everything will continue as if nothing ever happened.

According to this thread, the only thing some people really care about is money which is pretty weak so Ill place my hopes with those who act in the spirit of ideals and ideologies instead of pecunia. As a Dutchman I wouldn't mind sacrificing a few bucks if it means the UK gets some of that sovereignty back (if that is what they want).

Also, anything that is said by EU officials and leaders of other nations is suddenly meaningless after the referendum if history has taught us anything. Scaring people is of no use after the decision has been made.

it's not even mainly germany. a third or so of the remaining countries were stuck behind the iron curtain for half a century. the free movement of people is one of the main achievements of the post soviet years. they'll fight to prevent that from crumbling away. setting the precedent that free movement is optional would be dangerous for them.