boris seems to be outlining eea, but as you say it would require free movement and following eu regulation which, if it comes true, means baids might actually get to see that great northern horde march on london.

the tabloids would have daily stories about polish plumbers invading and new eu regulation banning honest, proud british vacuum cleaners.

Its the Neverendum.

We cant do this now. Its to many parrells with a historic event I have been trying to put to the back of my mind.

Main parties are self destructing,meanwhile a figure no one took seriously stands on teh side lines waiting to clean up.

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Equity futures down, treasuries/gold up this evening. Going to be an interesting day tomorrow.

Bloomberg Television reporting here in the states that Prime Minister Cameron will address the Parliament in a special Monday session. Will this "address" be like a routine "Questions Time" where the PM has to answer questions from MPs - or will Mr. Cameron give a speech and that's it? (If this is an all out no-holds-barred "Questions Time" session, I can already hear Mr. Bercow shouting "Order!" and "There will be order!" repeatedly ...) There might even be some MPs - like Dennis Skinner - who get ejected for criticizing the PM. (Or maybe it will mostly be members of his own [Conservative] party who blast their leader - and he blasts right back. This could get interesting ...)

This will definitely be "must see" TV. (Thank God for C-SPAN.)

Boris making a fool of himself etc, what would you say about this: there being no real alternative to Cameron he's asked to continue after October. Then Cameron just doesn't pull the trigger on Article 50 and says it's in the interest of the nation to listen to Scotland and also Northern Ireland.

Thoughts on how the EU will react to this in terms of reform?

More/swifter integration or less?

Depends on how they cope with the exit process, but since the UK has always been holding the integration back, I expect the union to become tighter.

Ok, i get the London "Remain" thing now.

George Osborne just on

main point is Article 50 not being invoked till the UK get a good deal.

It's a massive game of chicken with the EU then.


Who cracks first?

Britain has already cracked. It doesn't look like any politician is willing to invoke article 50. Merkel doesn't want panic so she will be nice in public but I am sure she will take advantage of this to push for changes that Britain used to veto.

The petition for a 2nd referendum was apparently started by a Leave campaigner, and now he is pissed that Remain voters are signing it.
lol

I heard a Taxi driver on the radio saying he voted against the EU as a protest against Uber.

Most valid reason I have heard.

The one thing missing from the BBC summary is the position of new people coming to the UK.

I wonder if he's planning to offer that we keep free movement with the exception that if the total number of EU citizens in the UK is over a certain number (about the current number) we can operate a one-in-one-out system.

I wonder if that would fly.

What will come next then? Common European timezone maybe?

The irony couldnt be stronger.

At this point I'm hoping if Nicola Sturgeon fails to save England, the Queen suicides herself and the monarchy to save us from our own stupidity

it's just not going to happen imo. you're not going to get anyone to accept that eu citizens are 2nd class. not even if they come up with something much less draconian than your suggestion.

you either have to accept free movement or leave entirely.

Well if you think the Polish economy can create 800K new jobs in two years time you don't need to make a deal.

Also there are plenty of 2nd class deals where citizens of one country can work in another. e.g. British students can get year-long working visas to Australia but they have to go home after one year. I suppose we British shouldn't accept something that makes us 2nd class to Australians in Australia ...

yeah i think these people are just going to work somewhere else, but that's not the important part. it's not going to happen. this one of the central parts of the union. they came nowhere near giving in to cameron the last time. it's not something for negotiation.

it's either accept free movement or leave entirely (including the eea).

have never heard of any of these very important labour people resigning

They're ****ing awful. Labour needs a purge.

David Cameron promised a in/out EU referendum if the tories won a majority government, (which nobody expected them to win), so he didn't think he would have to act on his promise.

There will not be a second referendum, this was it.

Whoever is made next leader of the tories won't call a general election straight away, the result is too unpredictable.

Scotland will split from the UK

Do you have a URL for that site ? I get much lower estimates, ones much more in line with what I'm used to. Especially if you realize that they usually charge a base for having to come out to your place.

You don't seem to know a lot about politics or my personal stances in it but you keep forgetting that I'm basically a Remainer at heart but you guys are making such terrible arguments that I can't help but try and educate you and call you on your bull****.

Why don't you do yourself and everyone else a huge favour by just not posting in this thread? I think it's clear to people who follow the thread what you do get (not much) and what you don't (a lot).