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07-14-2016 , 08:41 PM
Bottom line: this sucks. I know people want easy answers, but personally I don't think there are any.
07-14-2016 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Also I'm not sure how well the argument that we suppress right-wing bigotry holds up when you consider that a lot of Europe is scarily trending in right-wing nationalist directions and it just won England a ticket out of the European Union.
Complete BS.

Theresa May's Speech Today

This speech was powerful and sent a clear message of how she intends to govern which completely flies of your baloney. But
07-14-2016 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
because in the eyes of the media when its right wing its bigotry, when its left wing its just establishment
I have only the faintest idea what this word salad is saying, but I don't think it really address my point about how election results everywhere contradict the idea that right-wing nationalism/bigotry/whatever is some verboten thing that society squashes out of existence.
07-14-2016 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
I don't.... but the results are sort of underwhelming, don't you think.

I'm guessing if Imam's balls were being squeezed, they would have squawked about it .... but I'm guessing
I agree with you that I'd like to see the Imam's balls squeezed. The Radical Imams are basically the root of this whole problem. I hope we're doing everything we can behind the scenes to stop them.
07-14-2016 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Sort by proximity to terrorism to determine accuracy?

Also, no one forced him to come to 2p2 and discuss politics so I don't think anyone needs to feel guilty or put on our kid gloves here.
This
07-14-2016 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by smrk2
First, no. Second, if Islam is inherently blankety blank, why was there so much less stop the presses headline Islamic terrorism in the 60s-90s?
Vastly decreased forms of anonymous/private communication forms compared to today?
07-14-2016 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Complete BS.

Theresa May's Speech Today

This speech was powerful and sent a clear message of how she intends to govern which completely flies of your baloney. But
Even before you edit in a semi-coherent ending to this post ima stop you here and ask what the hell the leader of Britain's mainstream conservative party has to do with any of this?
07-14-2016 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I have only the faintest idea what this word salad is saying, but I don't think it really address my point about how election results everywhere contradict the idea that right-wing nationalism/bigotry/whatever is some verboten thing that society squashes out of existence.
right wing movements are winning because the left has gone off the deep end

yet you still control the media and academia which constantly tries to squash right wing speakers and ideas out of existance
07-14-2016 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Bottom line: this sucks. I know people want easy answers, but personally I don't think there are any.
Agree
07-14-2016 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
right wing movements are winning because the left has gone off the deep end

yet you still control the media and academia which constantly tries to squash right wing speakers and ideas out of existance
Real or Onion?
07-14-2016 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I'll give ToothSayer credit insofar as he's way more coherent, articulate and direct than the usually circumspect and stuttering right-wing agitators who desperately want to bomb Muslims and re-indoctrinate them
I'm not sure you realize that they've been indoctrinated to begin with. It's not like they're free agents who just discovered and chose Islam. It's a highly xenophobic and bigoted religion with a lot of familial and societal hooks that keep you in it. Most Muslims are victims. Muslim women are killed by their own family and society for wanting to leave the religion - in fact Islam prescribes exactly this penalty pretty clearly. It's like you pretend this problem doesn't exist.

De-radicalized/extreme-Islam Education - which is already being trialed with success by the state in Belgium - is somehow some great evil when compared to this.

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Take some agency and responsibility for your hilariously terrible thoughts and plans, no leftist made you think them.
And back at you. You ignore what Islam itself does, and how that effects people and ruins their lives and makes hundreds of millions virtual prisoners - but claim that anything done to turn the tide on the worst of it is a terrible thing.

You're in a moral foxhole, a lot like the guys who very plausibly argued that the problems with Germany could be solved by negotiation and non-aggression, and mocked those who claimed it was a unique kind of problem that required something a lot stronger. You feel free to judge and even preach from there, but like Obama, you're actually making the world a worse place by being comfortable but wrong.

Last edited by ToothSayer; 07-14-2016 at 08:55 PM.
07-14-2016 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
right wing movements are winning because the left has gone off the deep end

yet you still control the media and academia which constantly tries to squash right wing speakers and ideas out of existance
I don't know enough about the situation in Europe to comment on whether the left-wing has gone off the deep end. But here in the US we've got a virulent Nationalist movement going on at the same time that the left-wing has been moving to to the center and even beyond at a breakneck pace.

We have the exact opposite of the left-wing establishment going off the deep end. And you're not going to tell me Trump is a reaction to Bernie.
07-14-2016 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
right wing movements are winning because the left has gone off the deep end

yet you still control the media and academia which constantly tries to squash right wing speakers and ideas out of existance
No
07-14-2016 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cold10Bet
Why u guys keep talking about muslims ?
Because 99% of global terror attacks are by Muslims. Could this be different? Sure. But all of the arguments apply equally to Paris, or Boston, or London, or Brussels, or ...

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ISIS didn't communicate about the attacks and french gov says that it was a criminal attack not terrorists.

So until further news, it can easily be a mental ill citizen
It's always possible. I've heard nothing in French yet to confirm Islamists/ISIS.
07-14-2016 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Your ignorant ass should just STFU really. Taking up England exiting the EU now just shows what a POS you are.
Dude you're more emotional right now than the guy who was present at the attack, take a breather if you can't control yourself.

Bringing up England exiting the EU as an example of how right-wing nationalism is totally not being stamped out of society = I'm a POS? The **** are you talking about?
07-14-2016 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I agree with you that I'd like to see the Imam's balls squeezed. The Radical Imams are basically the root of this whole problem. I hope we're doing everything we can behind the scenes to stop them.
I'm glad we agree, but I have zero confidence our President agrees. He has difficulty merely conceding the is a virulent sub set of humans that thinks the Qu'ran gives them license and the 'moral' justification for barbaric acts.

He also believes ISIS are the JV team or second stringers or whatever......so I'm not particularly confident he is using his substantial influence with the House of Saud to reign in their clerics that are off the proverbial reservation.
07-14-2016 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Vastly decreased forms of anonymous/private communication forms compared to today?
Can't have anything at all to do with that, because that's a variable that is at least one conceptual step away from Islam being inherently blankety blank. Snark aside, that's a small reason, but a relatively easy riposte here is just say that vastly increased forms of anonymous/private communication have not led to a massive increase in Christian terrorism.

The ldo answer is that the central governments in the Middle East were stronger and usually at war with one another because of lolCold War, so it was in their interest to lock down any domestic groups vying to be independent actors, and also if you were young and wanted to kill somebody you just joined the army/police force/state approved paramilitary group.

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07-14-2016 , 08:53 PM
Hillary is on the phone with CNN.
07-14-2016 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Bottom line: this sucks. I know people want easy answers, but personally I don't think there are any.
The right has been saying this for years; if you allow Muslim immigrants in they will slaughter your people. They are right.

The left has been saying this for years; stop bombing the **** out of Muslim countries. It creates more terrorists They are right.

Let's take those ideas, implement them, and make the west safer.
07-14-2016 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Hillary is on the phone with CNN.
Make that Fox.
07-14-2016 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Hillary is on the phone with CNN.
Also on Fox. Dialed into O'Reilly. Now I've seen everything.
07-14-2016 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
The environment must be created where we criticize harshly the regressive, backwards, medieval practices that are integrated into many Islamic nations, and these beliefs are tending to trickle into even first world countries. These practices help to give birth to radicalized Muslims.
Create? wtf are you talking about? There is an unending ****ing torrent of that **** all day, every day, everywhere. Your preferred political party is about to nominate Donald ****ing Trump. And your hot takes on Islam completely undermine every single bit of your expressed displeasure with that nomination. You and Trump and all his supporters are peas in a pod. I think your real problem with him is that you don't like seeing your own reflection.
07-14-2016 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Bringing up England exiting the EU as an example of how right-wing nationalism is totally not being stamped out of society = I'm a POS? The **** are you talking about?
Like equating the attack with the UK election in whatever way makes you a POS. Yeah wield your power as a mod if you want to. You are still a POS to most rational people.
07-14-2016 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
Also on Fox. Dialed into O'Reilly. Now I've seen everything.
Yeah I mistyped. I heard better intelligence sharing and intensify the attack on Syria. What to do with Assad was not addressed but key to getting this solved Ime.
07-14-2016 , 09:01 PM
Taught Muslim refugees English, amazingly they restrained themselves from killing me.

      
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