Seems particularly relevant to discuss here, given how frequently the 2A crowd tells us that anyone can kill as many people as they want anytime they want with various other forms of weaponry.

Citations?

Sure, like, Chomsky, Greenwald, whatever, I'll give you some. These people ain't leading **** though. Who among the powerful leaders goes around blaming the west for terrorism? Maybe there are some Euro leaders out there dong this, I have no idea. But, do they actually exercise power?

The only way we can stop the extremist fringe Muslims from hating us is to hate all Muslims back, but even harder.

Guy is talking about people wanting to kill "tens of thousands of Muslims" and implying that genocide of Sunni Muslims is a commonly held belief. It's insane, these are incredibly fringe beliefs.

Great ****ing timing. My parents are flying to France now. My mom is going to have a f'n heart attack when they land and hear the news.

France has a significant Muslim underclass that rightly or wrongly feels oppressed by the French government. The riots in the Paris suburbs in 2005 were basically about this issue. Second the French government has done things like banning wearing burqas in public which are viewed as anti Muslim. Also France has been a leader in carrying out the war against ISIS in the Middle East.

What about the 9 out of 10 of Nazis who don't actually kill people or want Jews killed?

I don't think you quite grasp the difference between Islam and other religions.
There's no "might". This is what I mean about a total lack of honesty. In Islam, the holiest and final example of a well lived/admirable prophet is a guy who

- Had sex with a 9 year old
- Ordered killing for poets who insulted him
- Order mass executions, including beheadings, of people who slighted him
- Said people should be killed for leaving the religion (and in fact, nearly half of global Muslims support this - including for family members).
- LOTS of other horrible stuff.

Do you think ISIS does what it does randomly? Do you think 1/4 of Muslims support them randomly? ISIS are incredibly religious. They even pray before raping.

Imagine if Jesus was like this. How different (and worse) would the Christian world have been? It was bad enough with a peace and love preacher as its last prophet.

There is no simple solution. Education and the social narrative certainly works to a large extent. Prosecuting of hate speech in mosques, which is currently allowed to go on unchecked while far less dangerous and less extensive right wing hate speech is marginalized, is another example. There's a lot that can be done via education and deliberate de-radical-Islamification programs (not dissimilar to the the less extreme elements de-Nazification program that Germany underwent).

But we won't do it - even though we do the same to right wing bigotry/fascism - because it's considered incredibly racist.

Of course, because terrorism didn't exist before then. Nice try.

Oh, the White House, lol, cool story bro.

France may find it neccessary to build an internal security apparatus like Israel. It's hugely expensive and profoundly unfrench.

So like, only the top 2 finishers in the GOP primaries for President spoke openly about their desire to bomb Muslim countries, but I guess it's like insane to assign it as a commonly held belief?

But in either case you sort of avoided the fact your posting quality was one-sentence, no content hot garbage and a personal attack which I will take a concession you criticizing others for poor-quality posts is in fact just rank hypocrisy.

Why u guys keep talking about muslims ?
ISIS didn't communicate about the attacks and french gov says that it was a criminal attack not terrorists.

So until further news, it can easily be a mental ill citizen

Is your argument that it's not actually incredibly racist, or that maybe this incredibly racist stuff is some good **** worth trying?

Your solution is for good Muslims, or something, (are they our enemies or not? I honestly can't tell, you don't speak about good Muslims very often.), to tell bad Muslims to become good Muslims. I'm supposed to take this as a very serious proposal.

Are you for real? Do you want to address what I said? Who said bring back torture? Who said kill the families of terrorists? Who said generals will follow orders even if they're illegal under international law? Who said bomb the **** out of ISIS? Who said carpet bomb? Who said make the sand glow? Who supports Assad? Who expressed enthusiastic support for Saddam Hussein's ability to kill terrorists (tens of thousands of whom were actually Kurds)?

These things are like not at all related to killing tens of thousands of Muslims? And I haven't said a word yet about what you see on Breitbart.

I don't mind at all if you call me demented but maybe muster the fortitude to back it up with something I can't refute in 0.2 seconds factoring out typing speed? Again, I accept your retraction, no hard feelings. Just do better next time.

Certainly possible

Don't worry to much about not answering texts; there's been so much traffic the phone network has been overwhelmed. I couldn't get anything out for hours.

Wait, there are right wing preachers being prosecuted for hate speech in their churches? Source?

Yes but GOP front-runners always have to say crazy things to get the nomination. Trumpites assure me that won't be on the choose-your-own-adventure menu of crazy **** Trump said during the primaries. Plus it's not like the party has a recent history of actually invading a Muslim country for no good reason.

ToothSayer: liberals won't let us discuss realistic solutions
Everyone else: well go ahead, the floor is yours
ToothSayer: we need de-Islamification programs

Being against an ideology isn't racist. Islam is a political philosophy. If it had no widely believed, oppressive political elements - Sharia Law, for example (wanted by over a billion Muslims), violent jihad against those who oppress Muslims, xenophobia prescribed deep in the religion - I wouldn't care at all.

You know, sometimes life doesn't have clean lines. Attacking Germany without provocation as they built up their military was a pretty terribly immoral thing to do too - and Churchill was widely mocked and marginalized for suggesting it. How many wished they had?

Morality isn't always clear cut, imo.

How about as a start telling the Saudi's if you would like us to continue propping up your regime of 2,000 hedonistic cousins, how about defunding any Imams preaching any 7th century bull****. The notion of Jihad may have been a logical construct in the 7th century for a fanatic, but it has outlived its usefulness. Or "call them on the carpet" in your inimitable fashion. This is the 21st century... or haven't they heard?

It's always a one-two step up. Same thing with a lot of Trump supporters and "political correctness", where not being able to say things is really a substitute for not having the policies they want.

there's no way this is true. maybe when it was some group fighting assad, but no way in 2016.

a poll of danish muslims last autumn found 0.2% strong support for isis and 1% somewhat support. http://www.jyllands-posten.dk/premiu...terror-NET.png the opinion poll they did of british muslims this year found something similar.

european muslims are desperate to prevent attacks like this, whether it was done by a muslim guy or someone else, too.

Also I'm not sure how well the argument that we suppress right-wing bigotry holds up when you consider that a lot of Europe is scarily trending in right-wing nationalist directions and it just won England a ticket out of the European Union.