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Old 06-01-2012, 12:06 PM   #121
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Aspartame tho
I remember reading about it years ago and it was pretty much harmless. Reading all those "diet soda is bad for you" articles really made me suspicious of the claim.

Like someone else said, the people who drink diet soda tend to have bad health habits in the first place. I drink a ton of diet coke, 3-7 a day. I'm 172 lbs and eat pretty decently and I'm glad I don't drink 3-7 regular sodas a day, as it'd easily make me overweight.

I just don't drink calories, I save that for eating. I dunno.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:21 PM   #122
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Can someone explain why this is wrong? The federal government doesn't ban soda drinks over 16 oz and the local government does so we can only conclude that the federal freedom of choosing a soda beverage of your choice is tyranny.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:30 PM   #123
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Locally implementing something like this seems much better than having it implemented nationally. At least now if it does well or fails miserably, it can be compared against numerous other areas that didn't try the program, and an analysis can potentially be made over whether there's a net benefit to it, or it was an incredibly stupid idea.

Working as intended, imo.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:42 PM   #124
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yeah clearly this would be better if it were a nationwide ban.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:44 PM   #125
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I think I read somewhere that alcohol is exempt
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:57 PM   #126
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Local governments like this can exist and people who love having their lives managed (or managing others) can flock to this paradise while others can easily escape. Win-Win.
I'm grunching now from this post on - Did TC say he was joking about this post or does he actually think leaving a place where you live/work/have friends & family who also live and work there, is 'easy'?

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Locally implementing something like this seems much better than having it implemented nationally. At least now if it does well or fails miserably, it can be compared against numerous other areas that didn't try the program, and an analysis can potentially be made over whether there's a net benefit to it, or it was an incredibly stupid idea.

Working as intended, imo.
The "local governments are incubators" is different from this though:

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because making a decision at the federal level is automatically more oppressive, even when supporting something that I happen to believe is greater freedom. The reason for this is that my beliefs aren't the be all, end all of what "is".
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The point is that "states' rights" isn't about the states having rights. It's about the fact that the more centralized a decision is the more tyrannical it is, even if it's one that I fully believe to otherwise be moral and super awesome.
...so right now I could be drinking a 120oz Big Gulp of Mountain Dew, but I think this is much more oppressive than living in NYC right now, where I can't have a big ass Big Gulp of soda, automatically.

Also I think I am impugning Taso unfairly, it was manbearpig who was all "smaller = necessarily better" ITT.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:58 PM   #128
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Most Libertarians support Ron Paul, right?

And, Ron Paul would be perfectly okay with this, correct? It's not the federal government that's asking this, it would be a local government. In fact, it's a city, and not even an entire State.

RP would say this is constitutional (correct) and very stupid, is my guess.

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not me...
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:59 PM   #129
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I think I read somewhere that alcohol is exempt
Now I don't care about it at all.

Next story, please.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:59 PM   #130
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The "local governments are incubators" is different from this though:





...so right now I could be drinking a 120oz Big Gulp of Mountain Dew, but I think this is much more oppressive than living in NYC right now, where I can't have a big ass Big Gulp of soda, automatically.

Also I think I am impugning Taso unfairly, it was manbearpig who was all "smaller = necessarily better" ITT.
well i probably said it at one point too. you probably assumed i just wouldn't read the post anyways, but given that it was not your usual length i read it.
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:22 PM   #131
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This may sound kind of dikcish, because we all want people to be treated fairly and for people to be taken care of to the greatest extent possible. But..
regardless of who's 'fault' it is that someone has a pre-existing condition (disease) i don't see how u could expect a health insurance company to not charge someone with a pre-existing condition a higher rate (punish them) than someone who doesn't have that disease....? It will obv cost those insurance companies more money to pay for treatments/medicines/whatever to treat a condition that a doctor has already diagnosed. If they charged everyone the exact same rate, they would essentially be punishing the healthy people.
Unfortunately we can't start at Day 0, but essentially everyone is healthy at one point. Obviously some infants are born with diseases and problems, but we can even look at the problem from the moment of conception in that sense.

So lets operate with that: everyone is healthy at one point. So, you charge higher rates across the board to offset the costs of the unhealthy. Essentially you could look at it as their prior, healthy self being punished for their future, unhealthy self.

Of course it's not all created equal, some get cancer and some get diabetes and the costs are different. So some are punished unequally, but given that they don't know what they will have when they are being punished, they're really just sharing risk.

The thing is, to create a system like that, you need to pick up the tab for the currently unhealthy people, since we can't go back in history and start from scratch.

I consider picking up the tab on them to get into a system where we can treat people fairly a worthwhile cost. I could see where others would disagree.

As someone in a job field that is primarily contract work without benefits who has allergies, asthma and sleep apnea, I know what it is like to be unable to get decent health insurance at an affordable price, and the stress it can cause is brutal. I wouldn't wish it on anyone else, and that helps shape my views on the subject.
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:26 PM   #132
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Obesity is a huge and growing problem in this country. Giant soda drinks are disastrously unhealthy and a massive driver of obesity.

Why is everyone in a froth?
Because when I go to the movies and get my 64 oz drink it costs 4 dollars

16 oz = 3.50
32 oz = JUST A QUARTER MORE woo 3.75
64 oz = JUST A QUARTER MORE woo 4.00


Now to get my 64 oz soda I have to buy 4 ****ing sodas for 3.50 that 14 dollars which costs more than my super gigante popcorn with extra obesity butter and the 3 ****ing D glasses.

Daniel Tosh was right nobody ever dies anymore in this country especially billionaires who problably have cloning tubes like emperor palipitine.

And while they can buy life with their billions they can't fix their 20 IQ degenerative brains and somehow idiots listen to what they say....

Hell Regan was a vegetable and he ran the country and had all the millions of other little vegetables eating out of his parkensons hand
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:27 PM   #133
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central planning versus free market blah blah blah

the thing that gets me here is how embarrassing it is that our fat assery has gotten so bad that legislation like this is even contemplated.

every time i go overseas and then come back to the US, i'm shocked at how fat we are and how we can't just have a small 4 ounce glass of coke. no, the glass has to be the size of a small keg. what about water? i think i'm the only one among my friends (all imaginary of course) that actually drinks mostly water.
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I'd say I drink 60% water / 40% diet coke / 15% beer.
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:47 PM   #135
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central planning versus free market blah blah blah

the thing that gets me here is how embarrassing it is that our fat assery has gotten so bad that legislation like this is even contemplated.

every time i go overseas and then come back to the US, i'm shocked at how fat we are and how we can't just have a small 4 ounce glass of coke. no, the glass has to be the size of a small keg. what about water? i think i'm the only one among my friends (all imaginary of course) that actually drinks mostly water.
cool story bro
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