Bloomberg is INSANE moves to ban soda over 16 oz (Is he on bath salts ?) - Page 7 - Politics and Economics

2/325Falcon · 06-01-2012, 02:39 AM

Especially that weirdo catdog.

goofball · 06-01-2012, 02:39 AM

we're still waiting on a libertarian to come with "First they came for the fatties"

zikzak · 06-01-2012, 02:42 AM

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we're still waiting on a libertarian to come with "First they came for the fatties"

You missed it. Alex was all over that **** a few posts up.

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Insane? This was entirely predictable, you just waited until it was something that affects you to care.

JayTeeMe · 06-01-2012, 02:52 AM

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devilsadvocate/

Obesity is a huge and growing problem in this country. Giant soda drinks are disastrously unhealthy and a massive driver of obesity.

Why is everyone in a froth?

I hate the nanny state. If offends me on several levels

AlexM · 06-01-2012, 03:02 AM

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You missed it. Alex was all over that **** a few posts up.

I was gonna say...

AlexM · 06-01-2012, 03:06 AM

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Does anybody have a link to a good (meaning "contains reasonably scientific data") article on why HFCS is so much more superbad than processed cane sugar? I've always been skeptical of the meme, but have been too lazy to google it myself.

It's no worse. The problem is it's cheaper so it's just been tossed into anything and everything. Without it, packaged foods wouldn't be as sugary because it would be more expensive to make them so.

elgreenhornet · 06-01-2012, 03:34 AM

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we're still waiting on a libertarian to come with "First they came for the fatties"

next step broccoli police

Soulman · 06-01-2012, 04:02 AM

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Just FYI for those wondering, the consensus seems to be that diet soft drinks, while better than sugary ones, are still not very good for you and seem to have some negative effects.

Mayo Clinic (no relation)
Correlated with heart attack/stroke
WebMD roundup of expert opinion

Though for someone who's going to drink them anyway, switching to the diet version is almost certainly a good idea.

These links provide little to no evidence of diet soda being bad. Hopefully you're aware of how population studies have huge, glaring weaknesses from a methodology standpoint.

See e.g. this from the middle one:

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The researchers have several theories for the connection. Even though they adjusted for weight at the beginning of the study, they didn't collect weight measurements at the end of the 10 years or throughout the study. Since diet soda has also been linked to weight gain, it's possible that the diet drinkers gained more weight, which increased their heart risks. (Again, just a theory.) And as we reported in our story The Truth About Diet Soda, diet soda drinkers may have worse dietary patterns overall. (Although the researchers conducted dietary surveys to adjust for this, food surveys are notoriously unreliable.) Basically, no one knows for sure what's going on.

Just in the bolded, you see three massive potential confounders. There will be tons of others in self-reported studies like these. I'd wager heavily on the side of "(diet) soda drinkers having worse dietary patterns overall" being a huge culprit myself.

As a huge socialist, I find this ban completely lolz and agree that ending corn/ethanol subsidies would be good. I doubt it'd really do much to affect obesity (would it affect the price of HFCS much/at all?), so not sure what it's doing in this thread though.

STA654 · 06-01-2012, 04:04 AM

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Because now soda drinkers will buy multiple smaller bottles of their favorite drank..... all those empty bottles have to go somewhere.... think of the environment!!!!

what are you, the fatty whisperer? maybe they won't drink so much sugar water as a result of this.

**Bigdaddydvo** · 06-01-2012, 07:29 AM

I like buying the giant 64 oz or whatever sodas at the movies to share with the wife and kids. Much cheaper than buying a bunch of smalls. Anyway, Central Planners gonna Centrally Plan.

Nichlemn · 06-01-2012, 07:33 AM

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we're still waiting on a libertarian to come with "First they came for the fatties"

They're not just coming for fatties though.

TomCollins · 06-01-2012, 07:52 AM

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Something about local governments being inherently more free than big governments, and better.

Oh wait, that's not here, strike that.

So just freedom.

Local governments like this can exist and people who love having their lives managed (or managing others) can flock to this paradise while others can easily escape. Win-Win.

JayTeeMe · 06-01-2012, 08:15 AM

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we're still waiting on a libertarian to come with "First they came for the fatties"

They came for the smokers long ago

Andz · 06-01-2012, 08:34 AM

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I like buying the giant 64 oz or whatever sodas at the movies to share with the wife and kids. Much cheaper than buying a bunch of smalls. Anyway, Central Planners gonna Centrally Plan.

I think this is the reason why they want to ban larger ones not "lol we gonna save people from getting fat".

Krax · 06-01-2012, 08:38 AM

Its still boggles my mind that you guys were drinking almost 2liter sodas at one sitting.

I dont understand how the **** could anyone buy a freaking kfc menu with 2liters of soda, wtf. (yeah, we get 0.3-0.5liters).