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03-22-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
That isn't what "public information" normally means. You're basically saying you can make money using things which are "public information" but not "common knowledge" which I'd broadly agree with.

Non-public information in politics is things like canvassing data, which can be pretty reliable if the data is collected competently, but is not public.

Le Pen isn't equivalent to Trump at all. Trump is just an interesting candidate for president from a mainstream party, whereas in Europe we fought the war against fascism so its a bigger step to vote for a fascist party now.
Public information is simply information available to the public. In the 25 years I've been studying such things I've never heard any alternative definition.

I think you've bought into fallacy that there is a treasure trove of inaccessible information out there that the powers that be control. Canvassing data is no more or less accurate than other polling data.
03-22-2017 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Predicit has "Will Trump throw out the first pitch on Opening Day?" at 0.30. Seems like good value? I know with Trump anything is possible, but

1. Virtually every president for the last 100 years has done it at least once.

2. Can't imagine Trump would pass up on the opportunity to receive attention.

3. Trump's thrown the (non-opening day) first pitch once before in 2006.
This has gone up to 0.49 since I posted about it. Obv my xpert analysis is getting picked up by the sharps and is moving the markets.

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Originally Posted by GBV
Public information is simply information available to the public. In the 25 years I've been studying such things I've never heard any alternative definition.

I think you've bought into fallacy that there is a treasure trove of inaccessible information out there that the powers that be control. Canvassing data is no more or less accurate than other polling data.
It sounds like what you're saying is that you're better at sifting through and analyzing publicly-available polling data, which gives you an edge.
03-22-2017 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
So you are saying having 10% of your winnings taken away from you is somehow a good thing.
Uh, no, read better?
03-22-2017 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
This has gone up to 0.49 since I posted about it. Obv my xpert analysis is getting picked up by the sharps and is moving the markets.



It sounds like what you're saying is that you're better at sifting through and analyzing publicly-available polling data, which gives you an edge.
Not particulary, I just understand how markets work better.

Many people are better at analyzing data and events than I am. When they try and bet politics they lose, because they don't understand that other people may have come to the same conclusions for whatever reason.
03-22-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Uh, no, read better?
By implication you are saying that the house edge is good for the intelligent gambler. That is nonsenical.

The inefficiency created by a house edge may ameliorate it to some extent but it can't overturn it as a practical matter.
03-22-2017 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
By implication you are saying that the house edge is good for the intelligent gambler.
ChrisV listed a few reasons why PI markets are not efficiently priced. I added one more that he missed. I did not pass judgement on that reason, though you would have been correct if you noticed some disdain when I noted that it prevents the markets from having "sensible prices".

Stop inventing things I didn't post.
03-22-2017 , 01:50 PM
Remember that in Art of the Deal Trump refers to baseball as a "contemptible and vile pastime" populated with "filthy, lice-ridden" players and fans. I am assuming that punters are pricing that into the market.
03-22-2017 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Remember that in Art of the Deal Trump refers to baseball as a "contemptible and vile pastime" populated with "filthy, lice-ridden" players and fans. I am assuming that punters are pricing that into the market.
I don't think you can price the fact that Trump has verbal diarrhoea into the market.
03-22-2017 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
Not particulary, I just understand how markets work better.
OK, so I shouldn't ever bet unless I have non-public information or unless I understand how markets work real good like. Got it.
03-23-2017 , 12:15 AM
Anyone else playing the Perdue and/or Acosta 3/31 markets?
03-23-2017 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
OK, so I shouldn't ever bet unless I have non-public information or unless I understand how markets work real good like. Got it.
Bet how you like. Just don't expect to win in the long term.
03-23-2017 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
Anyone else playing the Perdue and/or Acosta 3/31 markets?
many thousands of each on the NO
03-23-2017 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
many thousands of each on the NO
I was all in Perdue No but sold a chunk last week. Smaller Hugler Yes. Probably going to reup Perdue before hearing today.

What about Georgia special election have you wandered into that one yet? The Moody price has just consistently been WTF?
03-23-2017 , 06:14 AM
And I can't really understand why Perdue is trading so much higher than Acosta. It seems like Perdue has quite a bit more baggage and 1 day later hearing.
03-23-2017 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
I have a position against Le Pen. Analogy to Trump is flawed. There is no electoral college bs. And she has consistently polled in the -20 range in the second round, not -5ish. We just saw another European right winger under perform. So perhaps being linked to Trump is a drag.
Can you explain why the analogy to Trump is flawed? For someone who isn't familiar with French politics. I also have little clue how French elections work. What is the significance of this "first round" and "second round" voting?
03-23-2017 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MultiTabling
Can you explain why the analogy to Trump is flawed? For someone who isn't familiar with French politics. I also have little clue how French elections work. What is the significance of this "first round" and "second round" voting?
I'm not an expert on French politics either, but top 2 vote getters advance from round 1. It looks likely Macron and LePen. Then it's just straight popular vote between those 2 in round 2.

The biggest reasons it's flawed, as I see it...

1. Straight popular vote. Remember Trump lost by 3M votes. No dumbass electoral college to complicate things.

2. Polling. Trump was polling -3 to -4 at the end. Le Pen is polling -20+ in the second round right now.

3. Trump is really unpopular right now, both in the US and globally. He is probably hurting the right wing crazies in Europe, not helping.
03-24-2017 , 03:21 AM
First round and second round works like this:

First round, lots of candidates (they need a certain number of other politicians to nominate them but it's not an especially high bar). Anyone who gets 50% or more is president.

Second round - if no one gets 50% in the first round then the top two candidates go through to a "heads up" second round a couple of weeks later - the idea being you have a straight fight for the president with no vote splitting effects.

Currently Le Pen and Macron are polling about 26-27% each for the 1st round, and in a head-to-head Macron wins about 63-37.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2017

If there is a parallel with Trump then you equally make a case for it being independent candidate Macron rather than Le Pen - woman from a family whose family business is politics (sounds like someone we know?) - though its obviously the Le Pens are much less establishment and I don't think there is a parallel in either direction.
03-24-2017 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05

2. Polling. Trump was polling -3 to -4 at the end. Le Pen is polling -20+ in the second round right now.
Yeah that's an important point. Trump bucking a few % points could just be standard error.

I don't recall of any single case where the polls were 20 points out. The 2015 UK election was probably the closest comparison where they were out by about 12. That would give me some hope if I were in the Le Pen camp.
03-24-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
Yeah that's an important point. Trump bucking a few % points could just be standard error.

I don't recall of any single case where the polls were 20 points out. The 2015 UK election was probably the closest comparison where they were out by about 12. That would give me some hope if I were in the Le Pen camp.
Bernie won Michigan polling 20 pts down, so strange things happen. But I am not sure the level to which Michigan was polled compared to France and how polling methods compare. Probably apples and oranges there.
03-24-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
I have heard people say that betting market n isn't efficiently priced for the best part of 25 years. Without exception they all crashed and burned against a neutral line. I'm talking about high-level academics and people who had literally made millions in other gambling fields.

As for your 3-month challenge, you are kind of illustrating my point. Over a short sample size with a binary outcome tournament strategy would be superior to betting optimized for expected value. It would be trivial to win that challenge making bets with no information on the market.

The $850 max cap is not going to be a problem for an American professional who overcame the insane hurdles presented by UIGEA.
GBV, I wasn't intending to propose a binary outcome strategy. Here is what I would be willing to do. If you will agree to pay me 200% of any profits I make on new investments on PredictIt (after vig, of course), I will agree to pay you 200% of any losses. You can pick the time period for the wager, up to one year. We would need to escrow, of course, as we don't know each other, but I'm sure we could find someone.

I'm sure many others would make the same bet with you.
03-24-2017 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by maxtower
Bernie won Michigan polling 20 pts down, so strange things happen. But I am not sure the level to which Michigan was polled compared to France and how polling methods compare. Probably apples and oranges there.
French polls are notoriously good quality. We don't do subset of states so it is much easier to poll. Short on lepen is the way to go imo.
03-25-2017 , 04:56 AM
Insane profits the past couple of days with the AHCA meltdown, had a boatload of No Vote shares for today!

Can't wait for the next big piece of legislation
03-25-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
Insane profits the past couple of days with the AHCA meltdown, had a boatload of No Vote shares for today!

Can't wait for the next big piece of legislation
That was a very juicy market with very large swings on almost no real information.
03-25-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
Insane profits the past couple of days with the AHCA meltdown, had a boatload of No Vote shares for today!

Can't wait for the next big piece of legislation
In favor of passing or against?
03-26-2017 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
In favor of passing or against?
i went all-in on it not passing two days in a row

and bet on "No Vote" on the bill in the number of votes market for Friday (which got as low as ~10%, and ultimately won)

      
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