your boy Greenspan. is the epitome of a free market capitalist. he pretty much had his way from Reagan on.

so greenspan is a liberal and not some crazed AynRander?

The intended goal is irrelevant. The results are what matter. We don't use protectionism as much because it's a stupid ****ing policy that failed in the 30s

Outsourcing brings more, better and cheaper goods into the country. You can afford to buy a phone, computer, cars, etc because of outsourcing.

im not to familiar with this. by my understanding we did protect our manufacturing until Reagan got rid of tariffs which started the first industry to be outsourced. Clothing. then it just snowballed with NAFTA and China joining the WTO.

isn't this correct? feel free to correct anything if im mistaken

none of that will matter when we are a 2 class society and regular people cant afford even that.

Henry Ford had it figured out 100 years ago. im going to pay my workers enough money so they can afford to consume my product.

all of the non socialists thought he was ****ing nuts.

There are still protectionist policies, but not nearly as much as there was in the 30s, where they worsened the Great Depression by a ton.

Yeah...... Again, it's not 1910 and raging anti-Semites don't run things anymore. The world is so much better because of globalization. People who think otherwise are massively misinformed or fighting for their own specific interest.

ya but "own specific interest" is the livelihood of our fellow Americans. who are in a desperate situation.

maybe the world is better off. I have a hard time seeing that. Basically, the world is us in 1910 getting ****ed by the man. Right? Bengledash is like the triangle factory where all those underage kids were killed. working for nothing with zero rights. basically enslaved. cant see how that equals better.

so, I see the right wing as 2 kinds of voters. Stupid, low information voters. and the greedy elite.

here is your typical right wing drooler and person who voted for Romney. these people are clowns.

people who consistently vote against their self interests tend to me morons on average

http://youtu.be/9tS-cG4LBeA

and these people aren't those intentional dummys that fox trots out to potray the average Obama voter. which is when they just try to find the most illiterate random black walking down the street. these people are fo real.

Like most things, it's not a simple answer, but yeah, for middle class Americans 50/50 or lower.

the lady at like 1 min into the video was so funny. ive never seen such a panicky nitwit in my life.

good thing these people are going to be falling out soon.



here's a hilarious Bill Maher clip
http://youtu.be/CIBHe2pVNfk

This is a decent article LD on the impressive reduction in human misery not known in this country that has been eliminated eliminated by capitalism and free trade.
http://www.economist.com/news/leader...rld-should-aim

ill read the link. thx.

isn't their something about free trade or the wto. I vaguely remember during the WTO protest when I was a teenager north of Seattle. north of where that nasty landslide ****ed **** up the other day actually.

anyways like our pharmaceutical companies were refusing to let them access certain drugs or some ****. so they were basically responsible for misery because they are some greedy pricks? do you know anything about this?

so I can see the argument that their life maybe better with major manufacturing vs what ever localized economy they had before. but they are still just simply being exploited. those jobs could still be in this country and those companies would still be profitable.

they can sell third world poors drugs and still be profitable. im not anti capitalism but it just seems so ****ing greedy at times.

http://youtu.be/SFq-YYZ58SI

more Warren on how dope my Dad had it and how the average person 1 generation later is making out.

Thing are getting better. lolz



Ikes if im so bad why cant you own me in any of our interactions. to busy to explain what a simpleton I am. concerned I wont grasp your genius.

despite my grammar showing the fact I graduated high school in the bottom third of my class. and never attended a day of college. I have an IQ in the neighborhood of the average atheist. which according to a Harvard study is 119.

come at me. I can handle your genius. as long as your not tooooo genius. certainly I may not function on your level, but well above average should be good enough.

http://youtu.be/2ltE1lKuUeE

**** she is good. officially love Elizabeth Warren. peace out Bernie. keep doing work in the senate but Warren is a contender.

God damn you are dense. The only people America is slightly worse off for than a generation ago is low education, low skill, blue color, white heterosexual men, and the only reason it is worse for them is they no longer have the illusion of being superior to women, minorities, and the gheys. For everyone else, and I literally ****ing mean everyone, life is much better. So Jeb can't go to the factory in the next county and get a life long job, too bad.

lol. you are a dumbass clearly.

all of Warrens research shows that people with College Degrees are declaring bankruptcy at an unprecedented rate. further research shows that people with student loan debt are less likely to own homes. all of this stuff is in those clips and also published.

you may not have heard. its kind of a taboo subject to discuss.

its not just blue collar people who are struggling you buffoon. and im dense.

and how the **** can you say "slightly worse off". that doesn't begin to describe it.

If working class Americans want to make a living wage they should just work harder and create more value, not just get exploited by the rich.

ya, I can see the hypocrisy in part of that statement.

but in America. you know not a 3rd world country. we have developed a standard of living that I thought should mean that any American who works a full time job should not live in poverty.

you feel diff or just ****ing with me for being a hypocrite? good one btw.

I don't think anyone in any country who works a full time job should live in poverty. You post sounded like the worst kind of poor-hating right wing rhetoric aside from my minor substitutions. Just thought I'd highlight it because I'm sure you don't want to sound like those *******s.

http://youtu.be/LZgIwnQT00g

she's got debate chops for sure. although Brown isn't exactly reasonable opponent.

the more I read and see the bigger fan I am. we've got to convince her to make a run in 16. it would be so sweet to watch Hillary lose twice and be finished.

it would take an enormous grassroots effort because it would be difficult for her to outraise a republican. but she has the goods to go the distance.

This isn't even true.

for sure.

In absolute terms sure, in relative terms working class people of all stripes are worse off.

It's a bit humorous to see people, not anyone in particular itt, slag off the American working class decline and at the same time complain because there are more "moochers" and "takers" or the rise is welfare. Ones a direct result of the other.

Relative to what? Because relative to the people before them, they are better off.

wow this thread is impressive

I really just sort of skimmed it, but is LedOut's argument essentially "back in the day my old man didn't have to work near any smelly brown people, also here are some liz warren youtubes that make me feel good, therefore I'm right and you're wrong"?

Did I miss any nuance?