This is the most important election so far of our generation. It is not a time to take a stand on principle. We can't just take our ball and go home. We need to embrace the current system in order to change it. I actually know who my local congresspeople are now and I am going to be voting for the first time. That's the first step.

I agree. #trump2016

Nothing in particular. I never thought he was exactly personable.

There is alot of things in between sitting on the sidelines and starting a 501(c)(4) that isn't going to help beat Trump.

Tim Canovas primary is today

Isn't he the poster boy for how the Sanders' revolution was going to happen?

Doesn't look too good according to this article.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...chultz/497807/

He raised over $3.5M from 200000 contributions. I think that was probably helped by Sanders' revolution. Polls close in half an hour and we'll find out who wins. Good luck to the poster woman for whatever DWS is a poster woman for.

Well, it's a ****ty world and a lot of ****ty things happen.

Micro, as a politics casual observer, it seems to me like if Sanders and his people wanted to carry some momentum from their primary showing, they should have put all their weight behind this race.

For people like me, it doesn't matter that Canova raised a bunch more money than he would have not without Sanders endorsement, what matters is that he lost. I think this has the potential of turning off casual politics observers who like Bernie but who see the machine as too big to fight against.

More informed and enthusiastic people like you and Josh will continue supporting Bernie's movement, but without the casual observers joining your fight, there's little chance of success, imo.

That's why I think this is a big blunder by Sanders and his team.

I wish Bernie would have supported Canova more. It probably wouldn't have mattered though. That district seems pretty happy with DWS. I'm gonna email Canova and see if he'll come out here and run in Cali.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...a-third-party/

Bernie telling people NOT to go Third Party and to stick to Hillary.

When pressed, Sanders is less critical of third parties than many Democrats. On Sunday's episode of "Meet the Press," Sanders said that the 15 percent polling threshold for the presidential debates was "probably too high." But with Trump and Clinton scrambling the electoral map, Sanders has become part of an effort to tell progressives not to go third party. That message is unusually resonant in New Hampshire, one of two states where the vote for Ralph Nader's 2000 candidacy was larger than the margin by which George W. Bush defeated Al Gore. That year, Nader took 22,198 votes; Gore lost by 7,211 votes. Had Gore won the state, he would have reached 270 electoral votes and made the outcome in Florida irrelevant.

Nobody is listening to Bernie anymore.

Jill has dank memes, Hil has a cough.

Was it possible that Bernie didn't go down to FLA to endorse him, because he'd been negotiating concessions with the Hillz camp behind closed doors? In the world of politics, you never know what's happening behind closed doors. In other words, could Hillary have asked Bernie to stay on the sidelines of this one in exchange for larger changes to her platform?

Or, could Bernie have chosen not to go down there, because of the larger threat of Donald Trump and the possible fracturing of the Democratic Party (worse than already is) from a huge fight between Bernie's supporters and HRC/BHO? If I remember correctly, Obama himself went down there to campaign for Canova - as did Biden and Hillary. For Bernie to personally go down and campaign for Canova against the current and presumably future power elite of the Dem. establishment might have looked bad and fractured the party more during a time when the race between Trump and Hillary is crucial.

Just theories, but just throwing 'em out there.

I had hoped Bernie would have campaigned for Canova too because of how terrible DWS is. She probably would have been hired into a HRC leadership position even if she'd lost, given how Hillary protected her and hired her right away after the DNC emails leaked. DWS was "safe" no matter what most likely.

For sure, I saw a lot of online comments criticizing Bernie for not going down to FLA to campaign for Canova.

Who knows why. Maybe, mb, was right too that the lead was too big?

It's true a lot of revolutionary voters don't want to go with Bernie's endorsement of HIllary.

Cornel West (huge Bernie supporter and surrogate) tweeted not too long ago:
https://twitter.com/CornelWest/statu...83154501136384
I disagree with my brother Bernie Sanders on supporting the neo-liberal disaster that is Hillary Clinton.

and
https://twitter.com/CornelWest/statu...83567396798464
I am supporting @DrJillStein for president – the only progressive woman in this race.

I don't know if West has changed on this, but at one point he said he'd vote Clinton if he were in a contested state.

U could be right. I'm not sure either.

I'm in a slightly contested state, so if I were to vote Jill (which I'm considering), then I'd have to cafefully check to make sure Trump has no shot at winning here (he probably doesn't, but I'm going to wait until the very end to watch polls before deciding on Stein or Hillary).

In 2000 there was a thing some people were doing where they traded votes. People in California were voting Nader in exchange for people in swing states who wanted to vote Nader voting for Gore instead.

Afaik Gary Johnson actually has a website set up for exactly this. Of course without any real accountability you can't know for sure the person you are matched with won't make the GTO move of voting for the main party candidate anyway.

Jill Stein had an arrest warrant issued for her in North Dakota.

Yeah, the VP candidate too. It is for spray painting a bulldozer at a protest with Native Americans against a pipeline.

street cred for progressives probably

More evidence that Bernie is a straight up boss?:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...te-contenders/
Bernie Sanders taps his donor network to raise nearly $2 million in two days for House, Senate contenders


http://www.salon.com/2016/10/17/sick...s-387-million/
Sick Bern: Bernie Sanders’ tweet cost Ariad Pharmaceuticals $387 million
Sanders took the company to task on social media for raising prices on luekemia treatments and the markets noticed