This post contains babadook spoilers. babadook is a really good movie(2014)


seriously it spoils the whole movie so you should like

DONT READ UNTIL YOU SEE THE MOVIE ITS ON NETFLIX
This post contains babadook spoilers. babadook is a really good movie(2014)


seriously it spoils the whole movie so you should like

DONT READ UNTIL YOU SEE THE MOVIE ITS ON NETFLIX


In the movie babadook a young 6 year old boy believes that the monster from a children's book called mister babadook is real.He and his mom who is a widower live alone with their dog in a cozy home. because he genuinely believes this monster to be real the boy builds a variety of weapons to beat babadook and its all he talks about. the book says that if they see the real mr babadook you would want to die. Its all he talks about in school too so he is deemed to have behavioral problems. his mom thinks he’s crazy and eventually decides to burn the book mister babadook. This only makes things worse because a new book appears with even more horrifying graphics and depictions of the mother brutally murdering her own son and dog. MR babadook explains that the more she denys his existence the stronger he becomes. After this point the movie enters the more fantastic and psychadelic horror point of the movie.

Mr babadook is a very real demon and in an odd ending it turns out that mr babadook can never be killed but can be fed and contained in the basement.


I see a lot of parallels between politics and mr babadook today. There are two groups who have no confidence into the other groups judgement , politics, or even sanity. this is why I want to talk about mr babadook and the dark magician. I’ve heard a lot of stories about slavic lands in the 1930’s and 1940’s and during that period extremism reigned. There were right wing extremists , their were nazis, there were communists and dictators and cults and violence and mass starvation in places that had previously been peaceful. Like that little boy I want to fight mr babadook because i see him. after 70 years he’s back for another attempt. I see him in all the discussions i read and the corners of the internet. In my view the evil on the extreme right is much more transparent but the evil I see on the extreme left is harder to grasp. but i see it. It’s right there and it’s looking at me. one example is black seperatists, they are a hate group at the splc but there are other groups and they are spiritually aligned with the racists on the right- they do not care about the freedom of the individual but only the ability of might to forge their vision of the world. So we need people who actually care about freedom of though and freedom of expression to protect peoples freedom of thought and freedom of expression no matter how badly we disagree with their ideas. you cant shout down the babadook it only makes him stronger.

For example lets talk about a hypothetical evil guy.let’s say you’re the dark magician(the evil one) and he cares of nothing but turning the world into a nightmare by all means neccessary and has decided the best way to do that is first create a racist government for him to rule in the most brutal fashion possible. One of the strategy moves you would make is to alarm both sides into hating and committing violence against one another. The extreme right wing may fund the extreme left wing in hopes of creating chaos so that they can take control.

Right now things are fine mostly. most people aren’t really that alarmed and are going about their daily lives you know experiencing liberal democracy and enjoying freedom. but i have heard this situation play out before and can see the danger now. with a little push a totally normal person or group can become insane and lose its bearings.


So thats why i get mad when people are mean to the right wing guys for no reason you’re making it worse. You don’t know how to do liberalism.

Of course god isn’t real and im an atheist but I don’t go to churches and tell them what a bunch of hateful sheeple they are for praying to god about a football game and try to harm them. I honor the gods and myths that they believe , I see the beauty in them
Of course I enjoy casual sex but I dont go around talking about how great sex is all the time or about how baller i am or keep a scorecard and call virgins losers …thats stupid
I didn’t finish college because it seemed like a waste of time for me personally but I don’t make fun of people who got a degree that’s honorable

In the same way i enjoy people who disagree with me without trying to dominate them because thats dumb. and so i watch for the real evil and try to do what i can to stifle it . Where does the babadook come from ? it does’t come from international bankers or a race or a mob or the bilderberg group or mcdonald's or exxon or alien. It comes from the greed within the human condition inside of us.

Some of you people have become s hateful of the other side that you really need to be a bit more introspective of your own side and the end results of your own ideas.

Just like the babadook, greed and evil will never be gone they can only be contained.

For example have you ever considered if all racism was eliminated and there were no races or racism in the minds of anyone living, an evil person might invent or re-invent racism for their goals out of nothing ? they might stir up the pot and blame it on others and invent a new group of people to hate. rust never sleeps


In the movie babadook a young 6 year old boy believes that the monster from a children's book called mister babadook is real.He and his mom who is a widower live alone with their dog in a cozy home. because he genuinely believes this monster to be real the boy builds a variety of weapons to beat babadook and its all he talks about. the book says that if they see the real mr babadook you would want to die. Its all he talks about in school too so he is deemed to have behavioral problems. his mom thinks he’s crazy and eventually decides to burn the book mister babadook. This only makes things worse because a new book appears with even more horrifying graphics and depictions of the mother brutally murdering her own son and dog. MR babadook explains that the more she denys his existence the stronger he becomes. After this point the movie enters the more fantastic and psychadelic horror point of the movie.

Mr babadook is a very real demon and in an odd ending it turns out that mr babadook can never be killed but can be fed and contained in the basement.


I see a lot of parallels between politics and mr babadook today. There are two groups who have no confidence into the other groups judgement , politics, or even sanity. this is why I want to talk about mr babadook and the dark magician. I’ve heard a lot of stories about slavic lands in the 1930’s and 1940’s and during that period extremism reigned. There were right wing extremists , their were nazis, there were communists and dictators and cults and violence and mass starvation in places that had previously been peaceful. Like that little boy I want to fight mr babadook because i see him. after 70 years he’s back for another attempt. I see him in all the discussions i read and the corners of the internet. In my view the evil on the extreme right is much more transparent but the evil I see on the extreme left is harder to grasp. but i see it. It’s right there and it’s looking at me. one example is black seperatists, they are a hate group at the splc but there are other groups and they are spiritually aligned with the racists on the right- they do not care about the freedom of the individual but only the ability of might to forge their vision of the world. So we need people who actually care about freedom of though and freedom of expression to protect peoples freedom of thought and freedom of expression no matter how badly we disagree with their ideas. you cant shout down the babadook it only makes him stronger.

For example lets talk about a hypothetical evil guy.let’s say you’re the dark magician(the evil one) and he cares of nothing but turning the world into a nightmare by all means neccessary and has decided the best way to do that is first create a racist government for him to rule in the most brutal fashion possible. One of the strategy moves you would make is to alarm both sides into hating and committing violence against one another. The extreme right wing may fund the extreme left wing in hopes of creating chaos so that they can take control.

Right now things are fine mostly. most people aren’t really that alarmed and are going about their daily lives you know experiencing liberal democracy and enjoying freedom. but i have heard this situation play out before and can see the danger now. with a little push a totally normal person or group can become insane and lose its bearings.


So thats why i get mad when people are mean to the right wing guys for no reason you’re making it worse. You don’t know how to do liberalism.

Of course god isn’t real and im an atheist but I don’t go to churches and tell them what a bunch of hateful sheeple they are for praying to god about a football game and try to harm them. I honor the gods and myths that they believe , I see the beauty in them
Of course I enjoy casual sex but I dont go around talking about how great sex is all the time or about how baller i am or keep a scorecard and call virgins losers …thats stupid
I didn’t finish college because it seemed like a waste of time for me personally but I don’t make fun of people who got a degree that’s honorable

In the same way i enjoy people who disagree with me without trying to dominate them because thats dumb. and so i watch for the real evil and try to do what i can to stifle it . Where does the babadook come from ? it does’t come from international bankers or a race or a mob or the bilderberg group or mcdonald's or exxon or alien. It comes from the greed within the human condition inside of us.

Some of you people have become s hateful of the other side that you really need to be a bit more introspective of your own side and the end results of your own ideas.

Just like the babadook, greed and evil will never be gone they can only be contained.

For example have you ever considered if all racism was eliminated and there were no races or racism in the minds of anyone living, an evil person might invent or re-invent racism for their goals out of nothing ? they might stir up the pot and blame it on others and invent a new group of people to hate. rust never sleeps

Ive been a liberal my whole life and will always be one.

K

you're of course allowed to read it with out watching the movie its just i didn't want to spoil something so good.

Good post. Reminds of the UT monster.

I took a Contemporary Moral Problems philosophy class this semester, and during the lecture on Utilitarianism, which basically states something is moral if it makes the most amount of people happy, there is a sort of fable used to illustrate the problems of Utilitarianism known as the UT monster, and it goes something like this.

There is a beautiful, utopian village where everyone is happy, healthy, and wealthy. At the center of the village is a dungeon, and once a year the residents have to go into the dungeon and look what is inside. When they do, what they find is a UT monster who has enslaved a child, and is forcing them to do things like kill puppies and kitties and make sweaters out of their fur. The villagers are presented with a choice:

1. They can either kill the monster, and save the child, but if they do all of the villagers have to leave the utopia and go live in the dangerous woods.
2. They can choose to exit the dungeon without killing the UT monster, and go back to their pleasant lives, knowing there is an enslaved child.

In Utilitarianism, everyone picks the second choice.

ACEG,

Do you pick the second option?

Which option do you think Spaceman is taking?

Not usually.





I kinda have a thing with monsters ...


But in some cases I think Utilitarianism can be a really good thing. Like universal health care, and free college. If the UT monster for those is everyone has to pay a small amount of taxes, I think the monster isn't so bad and it sounds like a great utopia we should seek out.

The UT monster is Bangladeshi sweatshops. We all slowly back out of the cave and leave the slave children to it.

But I want to kill the slave master, and I'm brazen and wreckless and might kill someone if they try to stop me.

Whatever option the spaceman chooses I fully support

My professor described me as Subjectivism, Egoism, and inverted Divine Command Theory, which I think is pretty accurate.

tl;dr

but I can second that Babadook is a good movie.

I don't know what option I would take because i like my analogy better even though acegs UT problem is good It's not the same thing I am talking about .I consider the problem addressed in my op to be of utmost importance.
I feel like I pick the second option everyday, but wish to say i'd pick the first.

If you're actually literally faced with this dilemma its like:

how much do i really like the people in my village anyway?

is this like free range torture? like every once in a while does the child get to go outside or play video games or watch movies or is it full on all the time torture?

is the woods really that bad?is there cake there?

It's full on constant slavery and torture. Their utopia is built on that child's suffering. The woods are full of wolves and poison oak and the people would have to work hard with very limited resources to have to try to build a new village out of whatever they can find in the woods. They will be the sufferers of a paradise lost.

I think I probably agree with you that the left isn't handling the right as well as they could.

Took me a while to realise you have posted the same post twice, I think. I opened this thread because I enjoyed the film, and I'm also 'on the far left'. My perception of the far left is very different from yours however. I don't recognise the symmetry between right and left you describe. I also don't recognise that 'liberalism' is as benign as you imply. To illustrate this most simply and starkly, let's recall the Obama administration foreign policy record. (I choose Obama because he represents the most progressive and liberal mainstream voice that is allowed to have legitimacy in the American media/discourse. And his mandate was truly a liberal one) The US dropped over 26000 bombs on foreign soil in 2016, in the name of 'humanitarian intervention', the liberal defence of murder. Obama ordered 10 times more drone strikes than his predecessor. So you see that when a Government claims to be liberal, this might be a lie. When Governments claim to be socialist, this is also often a lie.

That requires some closer scrutiny. To say that Obama ordered more far more drone strikes during his tenure is of course correct, however, the CIA and general military drone usage was ramping way up toward the end of Bush's campaign. More importantly, the massive US withdrawal from Iraq removed a lot of capacity for other means of engaging enemies.

Side note here, but drones really aren't much different than most of the methods the US uses to kill enemies. I've heard arguments they're imprecise, but so are lots of the weapons systems that might have been used had their been assets on the ground to use instead, and I'm intimately familiar with several of them. Drones are a natural and practical choice given what options there are, but just another means of killing people when you get down to it.

So if liberals/Obama bear criticism, I'd like to know what morally strong options they had remaining. I don't think anyone would argue that the region had been terribly destabilized, or that the American public was against deploying more forces to all of these areas, as it was they boosted Afganistan a bit while having to withdraw from Iraq. Or that even all those drone or airstrikes were near enough to stop the growth of ISIS and other problems there and throughout the region, to the point of them gaining enough power to take and sustain control of major cities and commit the atrocities that they have.

At the same time, inaction is clearly capable of allowing for a lot of unchecked atrocities--and political criticism--evidenced by the response to Obama's relative inaction in Syria. Was that a more liberal approach than drone strikes in Pakistan? If yes, what exactly makes it so? And what would the ideal liberal approach have looked like in say Iraq or Syria?

Unlike the OP story and utilitarianism class, real life has a lot of UT monsters and Babadooks to contend with. It's important to recognize that ideal solutions usually don't exist, but that doesn't mean your ideals are a lie. To suggest some kind of dichotomy downplays the difficult nature of some of these decisions, unless you choose to rationalize some key part of it.

Minirra,

You're giving O a lot of credit. The only consistent utilitarianism in American policy in the ME is economic, not humanitarian. The ME is full of awful governments like Uzbekistan where political opponents are boiled alive but you never hear about it because we have interests there. Also there are terrible governments who are at odds with our interests like Libya where O ran an illegal war. You could super generously attribute that to misguided humanitarianism, but when you look at the whole picture, especially our allegiance to SA and direct and indirect action in Yemen it's clear that humanitarianism is more a part of the rhetoric than actual motivation. Saudi Arabia could do anything to Yemen or its citizens or its indentured slaves and it wouldn't endanger our allegiance, but if it talked too much about kicking out western oil companies and seizing assets then they'd be an enemy.

#DookGate

Hi tomj I really loved the movie, not underrated by horror movie fans but underrated by the general populace. Ok, one thing that really bothers me is I talk to a lot of smart people on the far left in johnson county kansas and douglas county kansas(KU is here) and they don't seem to actually care about anything but ideas in the abstract. like these people dont care about lgbt issues but could tell you a lot about stonewall riots and stuff and facts and figures. they just dont give a ****. They talk about racism but they dont have any black friends. I often feel like I'm living ina petri dish when i talk to them. There extremely closed minded even more so than people on the right often times. Like i'd rather have someon hate me and listen to a few of my ideas than someone who "agrees" with me and looks at me like im a science experiment. I 've been deeply deeply disatisfied with my oen experiences with a lot of these people.
A good example is my mom is on the left and talks agbout tolerance all the time but she found a bunch of private conversations i had with guys(nudes were involved) and kicked me out of the house. Like.. why dont they talk to people or actually practice what they preach? Its what martin luther king called the middle being the worst. They seem to all believe in some generic liberal ideas but are unwilling to do anything liberal. in my mind obamas bombing all these people isnt suprising in the least.

I accidently posted it twice because sometimes i get excited about my ideas.

Im not talking about any one specific decision . im talking about the overall course of society. sure there were lots of tough decisions but 1932-1945 was a hell of a lot different than 1946-2016. We are seeing a big jumping off point. I think historians will pinpoint right about now as when things drastically began to change.

They might need convincing that LGBT people need/deserve a space inside the wider left to organise; or they think LGBT is a side issue; or maybe it is seen as cross-class and therefore not an issue for the left; or they need to understand more what oppression looks and feels like. For example I am a white straight man, I don't automatically empathise with women's experiences or homophobic treatment, but I can learn and I'm sure your pals can as well. If all their understanding comes only from books they will tend to become dogmatic, they need real experiences and discussions and activities with real people to grow their ideas, to realise people have different ideas and they will need to adapt and become flexible.

Sorry about your mother btw, sounds terrible.

That's ****ed up Bryce I'm sorry

Would your mom have kicked you out if you were straight and said convos were with a girl?

Not that it matters. Your mon is not "left".

Yes. Zero chance she would have been kicking my me out if it was a girl. Also you are just flat out wrong. My mom very much is left. Perhaps a bit old fashioned on lgbtqia issues though.