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08-05-2014 , 10:32 PM
We've got a long ways to fall before it gets better
08-05-2014 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Pretty sure there's no combination of leadership that would result in any landmark legislation getting passed.
This.

I mean I really think Boehner is more moderate than people think but he is forced right by his caucus (tea party, etc.) who knows the parliamentary style of opposition is a winning play politically.

Even if you picked a moderate like Rep. Kingsinger to be speaker of the house, it wouldn't matter too much as far as policy
08-05-2014 , 10:48 PM
If you could run it twice then Frankenstein not creating the monster elevating people like cruz beyond a joke to being an unofficial party leader would have been an obvious to spot solution before it became a problem.

Boehner and the rest of the functional leadership's problem is they are gutless weak leaders, not that they are too far right.

The government shutdown basically because of a dozen people getting out of line. Whip better and work across the aisle if you need to in order to marginalise a tiny tiny minority.
08-05-2014 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Maybe throw up a cite cos I'm sure from the last time tax increases were brought up increasing the top rate and/or creating a new higher bracket is wildly popular.
Yeah that's not going to make up the whole difference dude. In fact, it wouldn't be close.
08-05-2014 , 10:51 PM
Make up what difference?
08-05-2014 , 10:52 PM
Like, balancing the budget is not a requirement, you know that, right?
08-05-2014 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
If you could run it twice then Frankenstein not creating the monster elevating people like cruz beyond a joke to being an unofficial party leader would have been an obvious to spot solution before it became a problem.

Boehner and the rest of the functional leadership's problem is they are gutless weak leaders, not that they are too far right.

The government shutdown basically because of a dozen people getting out of line. Whip better and work across the aisle if you need to in order to marginalise a tiny tiny minority.
I wonder if Tom DeLay could whip the party inline. Maybe not, leadership doesn't control the purse strings like they once did.
08-05-2014 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RowCoach
That's the smell of hippies son... No good, unemployed, birkenstock wearing, hippies..
They have Infected Dr. Sanjay Gupta, The New York Times, and The President of the United States. Even Alabama republicans passed weak-ass laws towards the hippies. Mainstream, Baby!

What's the prohibitionists got?

Same old song, same failed acts.

Spoiler:
Hippies stand correct, again.
08-05-2014 , 11:24 PM
The smell of hippie is patchouli not weed anyway.
08-06-2014 , 12:03 AM
Awesome.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Independent watchdogs of dozens of federal agencies decried on Tuesday what they said were Obama administration efforts to delay or stall their investigations.

A letter to Congress from a broad cross-section of inspectors general cites specific instances in which watchdogs for the Justice Department, Environmental Protection Agency and the Peace Corps said they were denied timely access to documents and other information while doing their investigations. The letter says other inspectors general have faced similar obstacles, and that congressional action may be needed to ensure cooperation from government agencies.

"Refusing, restricting, or delaying an Inspector General's access to documents leads to incomplete, inaccurate, or significantly delayed findings or recommendations, which in turn may prevent the agency from promptly correcting serious problems and deprive Congress of timely information regarding the agency's performance," the letter states.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-inspectors-...-politics.html
08-06-2014 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Maybe throw up a cite cos I'm sure from the last time tax increases were brought up increasing the top rate and/or creating a new higher bracket is wildly popular.
Isn't this helping ikes' argument? "People want stuff but they don't want to pay for it." Pointing out that they want the rich to pay for it seems to support that.
08-06-2014 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Isn't this helping ikes' argument? "People want stuff but they don't want to pay for it." Pointing out that they want the rich to pay for it seems to support that.
Yeah. It does. Lol
08-06-2014 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Maybe throw up a cite cos I'm sure from the last time tax increases were brought up increasing the top rate and/or creating a new higher bracket is wildly popular.
asking ikes to cite a claim is like asking a groundhog if he's seen his shadow: even if you get a response, it's just going to be unintelligible jabber. See this:

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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Yeah that's not going to make up the whole difference dude. In fact, it wouldn't be close.
08-06-2014 , 08:31 AM
Why Justin Amash Keeps Winning

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August 5, 2014 On the March evening when his opponent released a brutal TV ad accusing him of voting "to allow gender-selection abortions to continue," an infuriated Rep. Justin Amash sat behind his computer and orchestrated an email chain with his closest advisers. They had expected Brian Ellis, the businessman challenging Amash in this year's Republican primary, to pull no punches. But nobody was prepared for this 30-second spot, which showed babies in pink blankets disappearing from a nursery. Amash, a father of two young daughters, was seething. One thing was on everyone's mind: retribution.

Amash's small and intensely loyal inner circle—including his two brothers, who run Michigan Industrial Tools, their father's Grand Rapids-based company; campaign manager and senior adviser Ben Vanderveen; and Will Adams, the Harvard Law grad who serves as Amash's chief of staff and political consigliere—had a number of specific ideas. They would correct the record, of course, providing the context of that vote and pointing to Amash's antiabortion record. (Fact checkers agreed, calling Ellis's ad "misleading.") They would rally popular outrage against Ellis, decrying his below-the-belt tactics in Amash's congenial west Michigan district. And they would use this attack to his advantage, highlighting Amash's explanation of that vote—and every single other one he's taken since entering Congress in 2011—as evidence of his transparency and accountability.
08-06-2014 , 08:36 AM
you are the only person here who gives two ****s about Justin Amash
08-06-2014 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
you are the only person here who gives two ****s about Justin Amash
He's good on the surveillance state. Would have been a pretty bad precedent if he got primaried for it.
08-06-2014 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
you are the only person here who gives two ****s about Justin Amash
Well that's too bad, because he is a great Congressman. Whether you agree with his policies or not.
08-06-2014 , 09:23 AM
SUBSCRIBED

Are we ever going to see that ****ing report on CIA torture or is "we tortured some folks, that was bad" as good as it's getting?

Jesus Christ, I'm not pretending Australia is perfect, but once there's a sniff that some high-up guy was party to something shady, you hear about ****ing nothing else until that guy gets nailed to the wall. We have an affliction here called Tall poppy syndrome, which is bad but a lot less bad than giving a pass to the rich and/or powerful.

Edit: Probably nobody cares about usage in Australia, but this is accurate:

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Of the Australian definition, Peter Hartcher of the Sydney Morning Herald writes, "(Australian) Citizens know that some among them will have more power and money than others... But according to the unspoken national ethos, no Australian is permitted to assume that he or she is better than any other Australian. How is this enforced? By the prompt corrective of levelling derision. It has a name—The "Tall Poppy Syndrome". The tallest flowers in the field will be cut down to the same size as all the others. This is sometimes misunderstood...It isn't success that offends Australians. It's the affront committed by anyone who starts to put on superior airs."
I was kind of astonished when I listened to the Santonio Holmes "I'm the guy you go to when you need to make a play" speech after the last time the Steelers won the Superbowl. If that was Australia, dude would be crucified all over the national media as a selfish **** next day.
08-06-2014 , 09:33 AM


Grimes cooks McConnell on split-screen at a BBQ in West Kentucky.
08-06-2014 , 09:44 AM
That dress is certainly not empty.
08-06-2014 , 09:54 AM
Grimes definitely had the better speech.
08-06-2014 , 10:47 AM
I could only get through 3 minutes of her awful "roast". So glad we have experienced Democratic leadership here in MI.
08-06-2014 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Isn't this helping ikes' argument? "People want stuff but they don't want to pay for it." Pointing out that they want the rich to pay for it seems to support that.
You are going full ikes. He said:

"The populace wants all the goodies without paying."

We are talking about a country, specifically the populace, not individual people.

Like this is some weird pathetic "lets tax the people with no money more to pay for everything equally". Note that the rich often pay a lower rate of tax than the poor anyway, its not like America even has a progressive tax system at this point, a flat tax would be less regressive than what currently exists.
08-06-2014 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
That dress is certainly not empty.
Is this a fat joke? She's pretty yo.
08-06-2014 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
You are going full ikes. He said:

"The populace wants all the goodies without paying."

We are talking about a country, specifically the populace, not individual people.

Like this is some weird pathetic "lets tax the people with no money more to pay for everything equally". Note that the rich often pay a lower rate of tax than the poor anyway, its not like America even has a progressive tax system at this point, a flat tax would be less regressive than what currently exists.
Well.... that's obviously completely untrue and never said.

That one sentence post of mine is a short paraphrase of an old dvaut post I liked btw.

      
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