Arizona passes controversial immigration bill... - Page 259 - Politics and Economics

bernie · 07-20-2011, 11:44 AM

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lol, having fun. When various people suggested land mines/turrets at the border, I posted:

Yac closed this before it could get good.

I also got an infraction for doing a FYP to c-nut where she had said "I gave up on them after a while" re: 2p2ers. I changed it to "I gave up immediately." Yac says personal attack.

If the rapists didn't use a condom, they could pocket the savings.

Yac is still a chode.

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prana · 07-20-2011, 12:04 PM

Notice the change there?

A few weeks ago only Eleanora generalized all illegals as Mexicans since "they are more than half".

Now it's a straight up Mexican hate fest.

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Unfortunately, due to massive illegal immigration, our middle class is being decimated. So, sadly, the “American Dream” is becoming nothing but a fond memory. It’s way past time for Mexicans to fight for their “Mexican Dream.” Why aren’t you advocating that?

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Easier to come legally, or easier to come legally for unskilled/uneducated Mexicans? We have standards for a reason.

IBMMuseum · 07-20-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Autocratic

...I also got an infraction for doing a FYP to c-nut where she had said "I gave up on them after a while" re: 2p2ers. I changed it to "I gave up immediately." Yac says personal attack.

But most of the time, receiving a ding can be worth every penny...

Autocratic · 07-20-2011, 03:49 PM

Shouldn't be a full infraction when the bitch can't even read what I say.

I love that she has so many people on ignore that she just responds to people who are responding to her opponents and takes a stab at what the discussion is about.

EricLindros · 07-20-2011, 03:54 PM

I'm ashamed to admit that I don't have the stones to post this over there:

pvn · 07-20-2011, 04:09 PM

Speaking of duck cartoons, I am pretty close to churning out a bunch of acorntalkingpointduck.jpg variants

Autocratic · 07-20-2011, 04:17 PM

Benicar's latest post in her "cheap labor doesn't drive down prices" crusade is ****ing AMAZING:

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There’s a HUGE difference between a legitimate contractor’s inability to compete against employers of illegals, and the actual cost to the consumer. The illegal contractor can easily underbid the legitimate contractor because the legitimate contractor will have a higher overhead due to paying the prevailing wage, taxes and insurance. So, naturally, the illegal contractor can charge less. But, an unscrupulous contractor will also cut corners. After all, if they had integrity they would operate a legitimate business. So, in the final analysis, the consumer pays more because rather than paying once for a job, they must pay twice to have the shoddy work redone, and inferior materials replaced.

You couldn’t pay me to purchase a new home constructed by illegals. I have heard too many horror stories of leaky roofs, unstable foundations, faulty plumbing, and myriad other problems. That’s not my idea of cost-savings.

Notice the nuggets in there that indicate that her mind is aware that her basic claim is wrong. So she just makes **** up about the quality of the work being done. I love this post so much it hurts.

IBMMuseum · 07-20-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Autocratic

...So she just makes **** up about the quality of the work being done...

Of course, because a higher price always means higher quality...

IBMMuseum · 07-20-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Autocratic

Shouldn't be a full infraction when the bitch can't even read what I say.

I love that she has so many people on ignore that she just responds to people who are responding to her opponents and takes a stab at what the discussion is about.

If it is any consolation, she will read you here...

And there are some that she can absolutely not ignore...

Autocratic · 07-20-2011, 04:34 PM

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If it is any consolation, she will read you here...

And there are some that she can absolutely not ignore...

Interacting with c-nut when she is reading what you say and indirectly interacting with her when she is not reading what you say are actually identical experiences.

EricLindros · 07-20-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Autocratic

Benicar's latest post in her "cheap labor doesn't drive down prices" crusade is ****ing AMAZING:

Notice the nuggets in there that indicate that her mind is aware that her basic claim is wrong. So she just makes **** up about the quality of the work being done. I love this post so much it hurts.

Yeah, I don't really know how to follow that up in a way that will make any headway.

In her previous post she showed her hand a little, in that she acknowledged that lower labor costs could result in some savings, so I explicitly pointed that out, which led to that latest gem. It appears that there's some sort of cognitive dissonance block that won't allow her to admit that she knows she's arguing an indefensible position.

It's kind of sad, actually.

Autocratic · 07-20-2011, 04:44 PM

I think a round of laughter and mockery is in order.

[Phill] · 07-20-2011, 05:48 PM

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Yeah, I don't really know how to follow that up in a way that will make any headway.

In her previous post she showed her hand a little, in that she acknowledged that lower labor costs could result in some savings, so I explicitly pointed that out, which led to that latest gem. It appears that there's some sort of cognitive dissonance block that won't allow her to admit that she knows she's arguing an indefensible position.

It's kind of sad, actually.

Its not so much that she knows she is arguing and indefensible position, but that she is arguing a conclusion.

The exchange that you sum up explains it well and shows why you will never make headway:

1, illegals dont make savings
2, you show that there are possible savings
3, yeah but those savings must create costs elsewhere
4, facepalm

By the very definition they cannot argue from an "assume all else is equal" position. When they dont do that it allows them to quickly change lanes when you start pinning them down on something. The just know their conclusion is right, so if you point something out that goes against it they just know that YOU have missed something else.

bernie · 07-20-2011, 05:54 PM

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"We try to break down trains of thought so that each argument can be had on its own. No one here likes that, mostly because they NEVER think about their arguments in isolation and instead have conclusions which are then backed with a mishmash of supporting arguments that they do not individually attempt to justify.

I mean, we try to break down these massive threads into one discussion at a time, and no one can handle it. These aren't "tactics" of debate, they are ways of actually understanding what other people believe."

This is so well said.

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Money2Burn · 07-20-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Autocratic

Shouldn't be a full infraction when the bitch can't even read what I say.

I love that she has so many people on ignore that she just responds to people who are responding to her opponents and takes a stab at what the discussion is about.

Lol, I was considering FYP'ing all Cnut's posts just because she couldn't see them. Oh well.