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08-09-2012, 08:26 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
That's an awful lot of insignificant digits.
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08-09-2012, 08:34 PM
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#47
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Di4B0l1cal d00m
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
You must be a scientist. So smart correcting people all the time.
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08-09-2012, 08:36 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
It does help. Thank god we do not use Aristotlean models for phsyics and geocentric astronomy models.
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08-09-2012, 09:00 PM
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#49
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Don't Call Me Shirley
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
So, let's say I start up a home owners association to keep out gay people. I don't like the gays, and I don't want them living near me. Thankfully, many of my neighbors feel the same way. We get together and all sign contracts stating that we aren't gay, that we won't sell to gay people, that should any home owner catch the gay he or she will be required to put his or her house up for sale within 30 days of the first gay act or be subject to a 1 oz of gold per day fine after those 30 days payable equally to each HOA household, that upon sale of any house in this HOA the new owners must also sign this contract or the previous owners are subject to the same fine, and that any changes to this contract must be approved by a majority of households that have agreed to this contract. Simple, completely voluntary, and an inevitability in stateless society. OK.
But people come and people go. The new owners sign the contract dutifully, of course, and my neighborhood remains a gay-free zone. However, some dude across the, well, dirt path that separates our homes gets the HOA members together and says that my grass is too tall. I like my tall grass. It's easy to maintain, looks pleasing to me, and it's all natural. However, I live next to a bunch of mowers. They think yards should look like putting greens. I like golf, but let's keep that putting green to one spot, OK? No, they get together, and, as was in that infernal clause in the contract, vote 55-1 to require that grass in the front lawn be no taller than 4 inches, otherwise the household owes one ounce of gold payable equally to the other households per day that the grass is over that length. WTF? I didn't agree to this! They're taking my freedom! I'm tempted to go suck a dick just to spite them.
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08-09-2012, 10:04 PM
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veteran
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
So, let's say I start up a home owners association to keep out gay people. I don't like the gays, and I don't want them living near me. Thankfully, many of my neighbors feel the same way. We get together and all sign contracts stating that we aren't gay, that we won't sell to gay people, that should any home owner catch the gay he or she will be required to put his or her house up for sale within 30 days of the first gay act or be subject to a 1 oz of gold per day fine after those 30 days payable equally to each HOA household, that upon sale of any house in this HOA the new owners must also sign this contract or the previous owners are subject to the same fine, and that any changes to this contract must be approved by a majority of households that have agreed to this contract. Simple, completely voluntary, and an inevitability in stateless society. OK.
But people come and people go. The new owners sign the contract dutifully, of course, and my neighborhood remains a gay-free zone. However, some dude across the, well, dirt path that separates our homes gets the HOA members together and says that my grass is too tall. I like my tall grass. It's easy to maintain, looks pleasing to me, and it's all natural. However, I live next to a bunch of mowers. They think yards should look like putting greens. I like golf, but let's keep that putting green to one spot, OK? No, they get together, and, as was in that infernal clause in the contract, vote 55-1 to require that grass in the front lawn be no taller than 4 inches, otherwise the household owes one ounce of gold payable equally to the other households per day that the grass is over that length. WTF? I didn't agree to this! They're taking my freedom! I'm tempted to go suck a dick just to spite them.
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So what is your point? That there should be laws that dictate how we groom our grass? Or that you like to suck dick to spite people?
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08-09-2012, 10:28 PM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2012
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
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Originally Posted by la6ki
There are quite often debates between statists and anti-statists
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I mean, let's not get it twisted. It's voluntarism vs coercion, we should label it as such.
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08-09-2012, 10:31 PM
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Don't Call Me Shirley
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
And yet, even in "voluntary" arrangements, it's possible to wind up getting "coerced."
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08-09-2012, 10:45 PM
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Di4B0l1cal d00m
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
Let's say in ACLand that our primary export is alcohol (hurray!). Those crazy mexicans might be cutting into our turf with their sweet hemp blossoms. It would be quite profitable for our alcohol salesmen, wheat farmers, and cotton growers to band together, twacking anyone who dares to oppose us with our stick of righteousness. Now we have made our competitors illegals and will have all the profits to ourselves.
Great reason for statism imo.
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08-09-2012, 10:49 PM
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#54
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veteran
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
It might help decrease the raping and pillaging by roving bands of armed thugs
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who come around every April 15th, or every time you forget your seatbelt, etc. etc. and take 40% of your \w{4}
Last edited by leavesofliberty; 08-09-2012 at 10:49 PM.
Reason: \w{4} means 'a four letter word'
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08-09-2012, 10:51 PM
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#55
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veteran
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
And yet, even in "voluntary" arrangements, it's possible to wind up getting "coerced."
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ozzie and harry do not like each other in a stateless society, slam dunk
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08-09-2012, 10:52 PM
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#56
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
who come around every April 15th, or every time you forget your seatbelt, etc. etc. and take 40% of your \w{4}
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Riigghhhttt....
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08-09-2012, 10:52 PM
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#57
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
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08-09-2012, 10:54 PM
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#58
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Don't Call Me Shirley
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Treating my drinking problem.
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
Good thing my DRO in AC land will be free.
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08-09-2012, 10:56 PM
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#59
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Di4B0l1cal d00m
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
Would you say that over the histroy of man that statism has more or less protected gays from their fellow wo/man?
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08-09-2012, 10:56 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society
We can do better if we worked together.
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