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Old 08-09-2012, 08:26 PM   #46
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Re: Arguments for statism in a stateless society

That's an awful lot of insignificant digits.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:34 PM   #47
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You must be a scientist. So smart correcting people all the time.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:36 PM   #48
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It does help. Thank god we do not use Aristotlean models for phsyics and geocentric astronomy models.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:00 PM   #49
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So, let's say I start up a home owners association to keep out gay people. I don't like the gays, and I don't want them living near me. Thankfully, many of my neighbors feel the same way. We get together and all sign contracts stating that we aren't gay, that we won't sell to gay people, that should any home owner catch the gay he or she will be required to put his or her house up for sale within 30 days of the first gay act or be subject to a 1 oz of gold per day fine after those 30 days payable equally to each HOA household, that upon sale of any house in this HOA the new owners must also sign this contract or the previous owners are subject to the same fine, and that any changes to this contract must be approved by a majority of households that have agreed to this contract. Simple, completely voluntary, and an inevitability in stateless society. OK.

But people come and people go. The new owners sign the contract dutifully, of course, and my neighborhood remains a gay-free zone. However, some dude across the, well, dirt path that separates our homes gets the HOA members together and says that my grass is too tall. I like my tall grass. It's easy to maintain, looks pleasing to me, and it's all natural. However, I live next to a bunch of mowers. They think yards should look like putting greens. I like golf, but let's keep that putting green to one spot, OK? No, they get together, and, as was in that infernal clause in the contract, vote 55-1 to require that grass in the front lawn be no taller than 4 inches, otherwise the household owes one ounce of gold payable equally to the other households per day that the grass is over that length. WTF? I didn't agree to this! They're taking my freedom! I'm tempted to go suck a dick just to spite them.
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:04 PM   #50
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So, let's say I start up a home owners association to keep out gay people. I don't like the gays, and I don't want them living near me. Thankfully, many of my neighbors feel the same way. We get together and all sign contracts stating that we aren't gay, that we won't sell to gay people, that should any home owner catch the gay he or she will be required to put his or her house up for sale within 30 days of the first gay act or be subject to a 1 oz of gold per day fine after those 30 days payable equally to each HOA household, that upon sale of any house in this HOA the new owners must also sign this contract or the previous owners are subject to the same fine, and that any changes to this contract must be approved by a majority of households that have agreed to this contract. Simple, completely voluntary, and an inevitability in stateless society. OK.

But people come and people go. The new owners sign the contract dutifully, of course, and my neighborhood remains a gay-free zone. However, some dude across the, well, dirt path that separates our homes gets the HOA members together and says that my grass is too tall. I like my tall grass. It's easy to maintain, looks pleasing to me, and it's all natural. However, I live next to a bunch of mowers. They think yards should look like putting greens. I like golf, but let's keep that putting green to one spot, OK? No, they get together, and, as was in that infernal clause in the contract, vote 55-1 to require that grass in the front lawn be no taller than 4 inches, otherwise the household owes one ounce of gold payable equally to the other households per day that the grass is over that length. WTF? I didn't agree to this! They're taking my freedom! I'm tempted to go suck a dick just to spite them.
So what is your point? That there should be laws that dictate how we groom our grass? Or that you like to suck dick to spite people?
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:28 PM   #51
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There are quite often debates between statists and anti-statists
I mean, let's not get it twisted. It's voluntarism vs coercion, we should label it as such.
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:31 PM   #52
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And yet, even in "voluntary" arrangements, it's possible to wind up getting "coerced."
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:45 PM   #53
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Let's say in ACLand that our primary export is alcohol (hurray!). Those crazy mexicans might be cutting into our turf with their sweet hemp blossoms. It would be quite profitable for our alcohol salesmen, wheat farmers, and cotton growers to band together, twacking anyone who dares to oppose us with our stick of righteousness. Now we have made our competitors illegals and will have all the profits to ourselves.

Great reason for statism imo.

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Old 08-09-2012, 10:49 PM   #54
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It might help decrease the raping and pillaging by roving bands of armed thugs
who come around every April 15th, or every time you forget your seatbelt, etc. etc. and take 40% of your \w{4}

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Old 08-09-2012, 10:51 PM   #55
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And yet, even in "voluntary" arrangements, it's possible to wind up getting "coerced."
ozzie and harry do not like each other in a stateless society, slam dunk
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:52 PM   #56
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who come around every April 15th, or every time you forget your seatbelt, etc. etc. and take 40% of your \w{4}
Riigghhhttt....
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:52 PM   #57
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:54 PM   #58
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Good thing my DRO in AC land will be free.
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:56 PM   #59
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Would you say that over the histroy of man that statism has more or less protected gays from their fellow wo/man?
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We can do better if we worked together.
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