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04-05-2017 , 08:52 AM
Not many companies use Mac networking devices. This is why.
04-05-2017 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
My Uber driver was playing some AM Radio show - seemed ok not overly political. Then they had a guest - Father Joseph or something (so you can trust him!) who had written a book about Social Security in the free market. Highlights:
  • We need to stop this inter-generational warfare and kids need to think about taking care of their parents, after all they took care of you when you were little.
  • It's so important to kill Obamacare because we can see how hard it is to end something like SS once the cat it out of the bag.
  • Who's a better steward of your money than you - the govt? They don't care about you.
  • We need to end the stigma around privatizing SS - just own that **** (paraphrased).
  • Zero acknowledgement of course that a freaking pension is completely standard in a first world country - like SS is some grand failed US experiment that's never been tried before anywhere else.

The creepy thing was how softspoken he was. And you know you can trust him because he's a father. The hosts weren't challenging him either and at one point he praised them for the good work they're doing. So they must be big free market fans as well. The bubble is subtle and pervasive and insidious.
Maybe worth pointing out here that one of the huge factors that led to wholesale adoption of Christianity and organized religion writ large, for millennium dating back to Late Antiquity up until the advent of the modern welfare state -- is that the church often functioned as the supplier of communal material sustenance when people were left without. The church is where single mothers, the disabled, the unemployed, the elderly went to get food, and clothes, and services. Consider the impacts on ingratiating the church with the community, how it empowered the church and religious leaders. The community relied on it for spiritual AND material support.

Related, it was a distinct movement within Christianity in both the US and Europe from the late 19th century and early 20th century to return to individualism and First Principles and away from social action. Prior to that, institutions like Jesuit education and the Salvation Army were part and parcel of how Christians saw themselves in the community and acted in ways that married civic involvement with religious institutions. Instead evangelical revivalism and a retreat from social action became common. Many Christians now rue the time greatly -- it allowed the state to fill in the gaps in needs by selling welfare state programs, public schools, etc. and adulterated what many saw as a fundamental role of the church.

No clue if it's the angle where that dude you were listening to is coming from, and it's subtle, but there are lots of conservative Christians who want to dismantle the state as a way to re-empower what they see as the Church's rightful role as the central organism of civic life.

I don't agree with their ends, but their diagnosis and identification of the factors that played out are probably very likely spot on. If you see the church as fundamentally central to the community, and want to restore it to that place, dismantling the welfare state is the correct play.
04-05-2017 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Not many companies use Mac networking devices. This is why.
Getting a separate PC to use for downloading porn via VPN is probably easier than setting up a Mac with a VPN iyam.
04-05-2017 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Maybe worth pointing out here that one of the huge factors that led to wholesale adoption of Christianity and organized religion writ large, for millennium dating back to Late Antiquity up until the advent of the modern welfare state -- is that the church often functioned as the supplier of communal material sustenance when people were left without. The church is where single mothers, the disabled, the unemployed, the elderly went to get food, and clothes, and services. Consider the impacts on ingratiating the church with the community, how it empowered the church and religious leaders. The community relied on it for spiritual AND material support.

Related, it was a distinct movement within Christianity in both the US and Europe from the late 19th century and early 20th century to return to individualism and First Principles and away from social action. Prior to that, institutions like Jesuit education and the Salvation Army were part and parcel of how Christians saw themselves in the community and acted in ways that married civic involvement with religious institutions. Instead evangelical revivalism and a retreat from social action became common. Many Christians now rue the time greatly -- it allowed the state to fill in the gaps in needs by selling welfare state programs, public schools, etc. and adulterated what many saw as a fundamental role of the church.

No clue if it's the angle where that dude you were listening to is coming from, and it's subtle, but there are lots of conservative Christians who want to dismantle the state as a way to re-empower what they see as the Church's rightful role as the central organism of civic life.

I don't agree with their ends, but their diagnosis and identification of the factors that played out are probably very likely spot on. If you see the church as fundamentally central to the community, and want to restore it to that place, dismantling the welfare state is the correct play.
See I think of it the other way around. The clerical class used to go out into the fields and take whatever they thought they deserved of the harvest, and the farmers who actually owned the land had to take whatever was left. This is very similar to me. Father Bullhorn is just a paid lobbyist who is probably extremely good at writing and repeating pro-ALEC propaganda and he's probably getting paid a good solid amount to do this. He's literally skinning his own flock and then he goes home and sleeps in a big house in the suburbs.
04-05-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Getting a separate PC to use for downloading porn via VPN is probably easier than setting up a Mac with a VPN iyam.
A new router is what? 100-200? Probably time for an upgrade anyway considering how often Apple upgrades their routers.
04-05-2017 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
See I think of it the other way around. The clerical class used to go out into the fields and take whatever they thought they deserved of the harvest, and the farmers who actually owned the land had to take whatever was left. This is very similar to me. Father Bullhorn is just a paid lobbyist who is probably extremely good at writing and repeating pro-ALEC propaganda and he's probably getting paid a good solid amount to do this. He's literally skinning his own flock and then he goes home and sleeps in a big house in the suburbs.
Could be. There's always that side of it: a standard-issue right-winger who just happens to wear the collar for fun and profit.
04-05-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Could be. There's always that side of it: a standard-issue right-winger who just happens to wear the collar for fun and profit.
It's becoming more popular these days. Turn on your AM radio any time in almost any market in the country to hear this crap, especially late at night with the religious tie-in. See they target different psychological profiles just like Russian propaganda does. They target different groups of people with different targeted message sets, and it's incredibly effective. In fact, this is such a problem that a group of churches just sent a letter asking Congress to NOT change the Johnson amendment (45* suggested this idea during his campaign, in fact pretty strongly IIRC). They feel that it will turn places of worship into houses of political partisanship and punditry. Well, they're right, but it's a little bit late for that unfortunately.

Hundreds of religious groups call on Congress to keep Johnson Amendment
https://www.christiantoday.com/artic...ent/106794.htm
04-05-2017 , 10:47 AM
If anything, being an AM radio preacher is a far less common scam now than it was a generation ago. Nowadays the scams are more secular stuff like goldline or Ron Paul's vacuum food preserver.
04-05-2017 , 10:54 AM
They cover a wide variety of "themes." That's what I mean by psychological messaging schemes. There's the theme of financial responsibility, the theme of being a good Christian, the theme that Democrats are terrorists, the theme that Democrats are tied up with the Muslim Brotherhood, the theme that BLM is a hate group/terrorist organization, theme that Obama is a criminal who is now omnipotently controlling the situation from Kenya. So the direct preacher theme occupies a smaller space only because they're more diversified, and therefore more synergistic with the conditions they're trying to broach (varied psychological profiles of their messaging audience, like the cab driver suzzer experienced. he may not consider himself a Republican, but he probably considers financial responsibility important and he may even consider church/religious practices important as well. It hits on multiple levels).
04-05-2017 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
If anything, being an AM radio preacher is a far less common scam now than it was a generation ago. Nowadays the scams are more secular stuff like goldline or Ron Paul's vacuum food preserver.
And televangelists. Bakker, Fallwell, and Graham were among the most well known people in America when I was a kid. They're still well known, but it's not nearly the same. I'm old enough that when I was young (the seventies) everything was closed on Sundays and religious shows were on every available TV channel.
04-05-2017 , 11:11 AM
Republicans are still nominally evangelical, but the Fox News / AM radio derposphere doesn't push religion all that much. They've aligned themselves with a more secular, Ayn Rand style of conservatism, along with the pure bat**** craziness of guys like Alex Jones and Belreitbart. You don't hear them talking about Jesus much these days.
04-05-2017 , 11:15 AM
The shows they play are selected for that local market and targeted at the psychological profile of the makeup of the population of those areas. And the A-B testing is done constantly via the normal means of audience rating metrics.
04-05-2017 , 01:07 PM
In other news, a bunch of advertisers are dropping out of Bill O'Reily, apparently are just shocked to find that he's a sexist *******.
04-05-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
anyone go ahead a sign up with a vpn? I found one that's 70-80 bucks for a two full years, up to 6 devices. Seems like a good company too. Only problem is our mac router can't handle VPNs so I'd have to daisy chain routers or something weird.
is your mac from 1985?
04-05-2017 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
In other news, a bunch of advertisers are dropping out of Bill O'Reily, apparently are just shocked to find that he's a sexist *******.
what's more likely:

-so many advertisers drop out that they move him to like 6pm and put someone else in prime time

-whatever companies pay to advertise on RussiaToday start buying ad time on fox
04-05-2017 , 02:10 PM
7th Circuit finds that Civil Rights Act, in its prohibition on sex discrimination, protects LGBT workers from being fired for their sexual orientation

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The 8-3 ruling echoes recent decisions by lower courts, which also have concluded that discrimination against gays is a prohibited form of sex stereotyping. It conflicts, however, with many others, including a ruling last month by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit in Atlanta, which interpreted Title VII of the Civil Rights Act more narrowly and found that sexual orientation is not a protected class under that law.

A split in the circuits could set up a clash before the Supreme Court.
04-05-2017 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
what's more likely:

-so many advertisers drop out that they move him to like 6pm and put someone else in prime time

-whatever companies pay to advertise on RussiaToday start buying ad time on fox
Probably important to point out that the advertisers that are dropping O'Reilly are just moving their money to other shows on the same network (from what I've heard). This is whack-a-mole. Even if the pressure is so great that Fox News fires O'Reilly, that Waters guy or somebody else will step up to replace him. There are plenty of dumbasses waiting in the wings and they're not giving away their shot.
04-05-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
is your mac from 1985?
Sadly, no.

In other news, Bannon got the stanky boot off the security council he tricked trump into adding him to.
04-05-2017 , 02:28 PM
04-05-2017 , 02:47 PM
Unproductive freeloaders. They need to bootstrap out of their culture of dependency and learn to feed themselves and go walkies on their own.
04-05-2017 , 03:20 PM
Typical right-wing media spinning their specieist bigotry.

What about show dogs, sled dogs, dog actors, rescue dogs, ranch dogs, and dog and pony shows? Nobody ever talks about them. All they ever seem to do is fear monger, reporting on how some dog "humped a leg" or "ate the homework".
04-05-2017 , 03:38 PM
Might find out if Putin has the goods on Trump because of Syria.
04-05-2017 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Aside but I really dislike that quote. Obama borrowed it a few times too and I think it ultimately breeds passivity that progress is natural and un-ending and removes human agency.

For instance: Is the Trumpening part of the moral arc bending to justice? Reductions and erosion and devolution away from norms that promote justice are common in history. Take Russia, which in many ways was far freer and more liberal and just 200 years ago under Catherine the Great than Putin. The arc of the universe bends to justice when people desire it and fight for it and preserve it. It isn't a naturally occurring phenomenon.
Taking a ~30 year period* and comparing it to a 20 year period, in a single country, seems to be really missing the point of the overall arc of humanity, though. Actually, the arc of the "moral universe".

Comparing the world now to the world even 10 years ago, let alone 50, 100, 500, 2000 years, is absolutely more just, and it isn't even close.


*a period of serfdom, by the way? That's an odd comparison to use. What percentage of Russians living today do you think would rather be living under Catherine the Great? Let's even assume they're all woke.
04-05-2017 , 06:10 PM
That's Tsao's favorite MLK quote because it's one step away from endorsing libertarian passivity in the face of injustice. The arc of the Free Market bends toward justice.
04-05-2017 , 06:27 PM
Someone should write a magical realist Lysistrata where libertarians' anime pillows refuse to be jerked off on after the libertarians don't march against a tyrannical Trump like they said they would

      
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