Seems legit, A+ reading comprehension.

The difference between an "electronic secret" and a "secret" is that an "electronic secret" is a secret stored electronically, which is not true of all secrets.

So stupid. As a principle, removing privacy for alleged security reasons is stupid no matter how small the step. You can always justify any of this with the dumb nuclear bomb scenarios, but that justification is really shortsighted and wrong.

I will only approve of Apple unlocking this phone if Sean Hannity finally gets waterboarded.

Great non-answers. (dumb actually)

Sure.

So one can keep "electronic secrets" but not keep non-electronic "secrets"?

Any other differences you would like to note for us?

What are the answers you're looking for, Roger? I think it's more that you're disappointed to find out that your SUPER DEEP, GOTCHA questions are actually just very basic and stupid.

No, I find your non-answers even more stupid, actually.

What makes you think you are legally entitled to keeping a secret when a court orders you to reveal it?

Huh? People can keep non-electronic secrets too. Courts can try to compel you to reveal them but ultimately they can't, like, probe your brain to find the data. Is that a significant problem with modern security, iyo?

What if a terrorist has the location of the nuclear bombs IN HIS HEAD???? We're ****ed, unless he decides he wants to tell us.

Yes, I'm sure you find my answers stupid, and that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I mean, ****, why aren't we trying to get into the secrets in this guy's head right now?

So can courts punish you for contempt?

Are you advocating this type of behavior?

Do you have a court order?

court orders are infallible obv

A security guy I know suggested using incriminating details in your password when encrypting evidence of a crime.

Sure, go against court orders. Solid.

Seems like we could get one. Gonna put the CRYPT back in cryptography!

I'll lay 1:100,000.

Yes, courts can punish you for contempt if you don't reveal them. Ultimately the secret of the NUCLEAR BOMBS is still safe in a terrorist's head though, Los Angeles is gone, sorry. (it's great that you get mad at my "non-answers" yet willfully gloss over that)

Why don't you tell us what answers you were looking for? I'm assuming something like "wow Roger, you're right, I guess that if we don't want the nuclear bombs to go off we can't ever let someone create a 100% secure product that nobody can open, it would be too dangerous for society". Am I on the right track? We can't read your mind (even if a court legally compels you to tell us), so help us out here, make your argument.

By the way, are you pro-child porn? This whole internet thing here, I think it's a big problem for society. People distribute CHILD PORN on it. How do we stop this?

I think you're free to answer any way you like. Even a non-answer is an answer.

Why do you blindly assume the terrorist does not reveal the location? (even if it is LA)

We have procedures to deal with child porn. They are called search warrants.

look at this gubmint creating jerbs!

Can't they just torture Apple?

@GeorgeTakei

If we permit the government to overstep here in the name of security, I fear what we will give up next. qklnk.co/2nahjQ

He was probably thinking our guns would be next.

I'm not assuming anything, I'm accepting the possibility (which you have to accept as well) that he doesn't reveal it and the bombs go off. I'm utterly shocked if you would dispute this. Non-electronic secrets do exist, we can't have guaranteed access to them, society hasn't collapsed as a result.

Again, will you lay out your argument for us or just continue to evade having to formulate one?

They've failed to stop child porn from being distributed on the internet. Each instance of child porn being shared is like a poor child's life having a nuclear bomb exploded all over it. How do we stop this? Sticking with our current policies, we'll arrest child pornographers and take sites down over time, but child porn will continue to be shared. I think we need something more drastic. How about you?