How many kids will throw themselves in front of traffic if their parents don't buy them a new Xbox?

The line may be hard to draw, but it doesn't seem hard to figure out in this case.

Sincerely believing abuse is in the best interest of your child isnt a defense. See, Adrian Peterson.

How many kids kill themselves in part due to emotional neglect but not psychological abuse by their parents? Thousands.

1. Interested to see the answer to this.

2. If deaf parents forced their child (who could hear) not to talk and only ever to use sign language. Would that be child abuse?

3. Imagine a scenario similar to below, except without the physical abuse. I.e. African immigrants believe child is possessed by demon, send child to traditional healer/exorcist who doesn't touch the child but tells them they are the devil until the commit suicide... Abuse?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-beliefs.html

For all of the above, why/why not?

Reality is many of us see things as Child Abuse which others do not. I think smoking in a car with a child is child abuse. Letting your child becoming obese is child abuse in my opinion.

Problem here is Religion. Religion kills more people than any disease out there. They were Christians to bad they never asked the question WWJD

No one will be charged and chalk up another death to Religion.

My position isn't that it isn't abuse, merely that its not a level/form of abuse that can proven to be criminal in court at the moment.

It's only your opinion that it's a narrow ass view and only your opinion it's not a valid parenting choice. If you ever have children I assume you will let other people dictate how you should raise your child? What if I view your world view as corrupt and harmful? Can I tell you how to raise your kid?

He clearly broke a law, hence the arrest.

This is so true. Especially in this case - does the kid still jump in front of a truck if the parents say nothing and then emotionally neglect them?

ICWUDT - If that's how they want to raise their child then so be it. It's a parental decision. Good effort on the conservative talking point though.

Yes - that doesn't mean I don't support the parents right to make a decision in what they view is in the best interest in their child.

We can certainly do that although I don't think the state should extend that to beliefs you should teach your child.

Many countries make the former illegal and treat the latter as abuse which can lead to taking children in to care.

I've just skimmed the last part of the discussion and would like to add this:

It'd prob be very hard to squeeze what happened into any of the child abuse boxes in the criminal code and any elected DA that tried it would be committing political suicide. The best that can come of this is that the gay rights groups run w/ it and try to get a 'Leelah's law' passed that we can get behind and end this revolting conversion 'therapy' nonsense.

Classic case of lol religion

Not enough sympathy ITT for parents who have lost their son.

Parents force kids to do things they don't want all the time.

You just wait it out until your 18th birthday and you move on.

There was no physical abuse or physical pain, just being forced to listen to some views you didn't agree with.

Suicide is the choice of the person who decides to do it.

Based on the suicide note, this was an activist that wanted to make a statement with suicide.

Instead of waiting a few months to become 18 and leave.

I'm not impressed with a rush to martyrdom for a cause.

The blame for the death is with the person who chose to create a death, the 17 year old suicide.

fixed that for you

Abuse is only physical pain?

Unless they were physically abusing her as well. If that's the case, then no. He'll find other reasons to diminish this tragic loss of life

Bump for stockguy and abseeker

My position is pretty clear - parents should be allowed to raise their children how they see fit so not sure why I'm answering these questions

C'mon DIDS answer the question - can I tell you how to raise your kids?

Because your position isn't clear.

You agree the state can get involved in raising children in many circumstances and then pretend you are taking a principled line supporting parental rights, except that position amounts to "hell, parents can do whatever they want to kids so long as they don't **** them or throw tiles at them."

your argument taken to a logical conclusion would force you to support positions I don't think you actually support... Hence the questions. Which shouldn't be difficult if your position is so clear cut

Also, for 2. Some deaf parents want to surgically deafen their hearing children... Abuse?

http://us.cnn.com/2014/12/31/us/ohio...iref=obnetwork



hot damn

Parents should absolutely be charged.

yup.

Stockguy and Wil, just lol.