The amazing thing here is imagining that democracy -vs- "entrepreneurial idea" are somehow opposites. This is just flat out idiotic.

What if a husband-wife team were considering an "entrepreneurial idea". Let's say they decide that if they both don't feel like investing in this "entrepreneurial idea" they'll pass. This is exactly what democracy is.

So, what exactly do the ACers have a problem with here ??

Assume victory! Almost at bingo!

So... what we got so far is... well zip.

We haven't heard a peep about ACism itself at all. Zero, zip, zelch.

It was claimed that ACland != Rapetown... even though nobody on 2+2 has ever made that claim. However, we got zero evidence posted here that this claim, ACland != Rapetown, is at all false to begin with. That was just baldly asserted. Since the claim that ACland does indeed == Rapetown was made by an ACer on that other website, there is absolutely no reason to imagine anything different.

Then we had a flat out "punt" on all things ACism.

At this point, I think we should solicit the opinion of the 1st 2+2 Deal of ACism: the Odi Award winner Borodog. So Dean, what is your opinion regarding ACism and Rapetown ??

You first post evidence rather than your farce that slancap is anarcho-capitalism, or did you forget to do that? Really, I have lost all respect for you MD. You are a dishonourable human being.

I do not perceive it as a contest. MD simply claims ACism is rapetown, and he cites slancap which is obviously not evidence, and then shifts the burden of proof on ancaps. I do not even consider MD to be arguing at this point so much as howling at the moon. So, there is no contest. It's entirely a non-starter.

I never said or implied that entrepreneurship is opposed to democracy. I am saying that you did too much dope in college to make even a mom-and-pop shop profitable.

You seem to be having problems tracking the conversation. Here, I'll give you cliffs...

1. Once again, I have no idea why you are obsessing about that Slancap meme. I didn't write that. Instead I wrote an entire lesson on ACism just under it. Are you ever going to comment on that lesson at all?

2. I never said Slancap is a buncha ACers. They're not. They're a buncha UKian RWAers who like making fun of ACers.

3. Slancap wasn't claiming that ACland == Rapetown either. That claim was made by an ACer posting on their Facebook page. Slancap was making fun of that ACer for making that claim.

4. So far, nobody has disputed that ACer's claim, that ACland == Rapetown. Not you or anyone else. Are you ever going to dispute that claim at all?

Really, I can't have been dishonest here, because I haven't made any claims to be honest or dishonest about. In fact, I'm at a complete loss as to what you are going on about. You could explain WTF you feel I've been dishonest about.

Basically, you're not tracking the conversation at all at this point.

This is incorrect. The comment is from the AnCap 101 Reddit. This Reddit is pro-ACism and pro-ACer. Here is how they describe themselves: "/r/AnCap101 is intended to be more welcoming and educational than /r/Anarcho_Capitalism. Our goal is to cultivate a forgiving and helpful atmosphere to address the needs of newcomers to the philosophy of Anarcho-Capitalism." This is how they describe ACland...

So, here we have an ACism educational site, where the ACers are directly telling us ACland == Rape-town.

If anyone wants to claim that these ACers are in fact wrong, that ACland != Rape-town, fine. That's what these threads are for. But that's going to take some research, and that research needs to be cited ITT.

Until such time as someone posts such cited research what we have is this: According to the ACers themselves, in their very own words, ACland == Rape-town.

He's basically saying the laws are democratically decided. There's nothing anarchy or AC specific about that. Marital rape wasn't a crime in every state until 1993. The difference isn't what is or isn't illegal, it's what recourse and protection you have. In AC land, as I understand it, if you are weak, friendless, and broke you have none. In a powerful state you have the police. The idea, imo, in socialist anarchy is that you have the community/just about everyone.

The plan for policing in Rojava seems to be that every single person should go through police training and then they will have no need for a police force. That's not because everyone will defend themselves, but because everyone will defend each other. (for free)

If anyone's curious the doctor being beaten up and dragged out of an airplane is the definition of volunteerism that ACists are using

We should all worry that the anarcho-capitalists will get the last laugh---and perhaps sooner rather than later.

Just look at the historical record. Governments advance the welfare of their constituencies with economic power; and sustain their constituencies with economic relevance.

Those with neither power nor relevance are ignored at best, and violently repressed at worst.

Yet we are moving ever-faster to a world where fewer and fewer people are economically relevant. The next two decades will see a watershed obsoleting of low-skill human labor by AI and robots across many, many sectors.

There was once an illusion that cultural identity held the state's allegiance, but a quick glance at the mortality rates of low-class whites in America shows that capital is truly the master of all.

It is really, really not obvious that state power structures will be any more generous to the poor than would undiluted market forces.

What are these "undiluted market forces" of which you speak and where can I get some?

Good post, thanks for taking the time to write it.

Borodog's wet dreams? Dunno.

I am not super optimistic about the future for the 99%, obviously.

and you think this is something socialist anarchy can accomplish?

This is not saying much but it has been more successful than ancap. The anarchist regions of Spain were doing very well in the Spanish Revolution socially, economically and in the fight against the fascists. But they were crushed by the statist communists with the support of Russia.

So far the anarchists are doing as well as I think possible in Rojava considering they are fighting ISIS, sometimes Turkey, maybe the Kurdish nationalist and are under sanctions.

A rando/anonymous post in a reddit forum isn't evidence you dishonest narcissistic troll.

It's about having competing law, and the market would elect laws that are against force for consistent rulings. I don't think it's hard on your part to simply sit back and ask, "How do ancaps address this issue?" thoughtfully before making assumptions.

What you forgot to do: provide any evidence yourself.

It's a data point. We have these particular ACers saying ACland == Rapetown. If they are wrong... you should be able to refute these confused ACers. Why don't you proceed to do so ??

Instead, you are posting emotionally and calling me silly names. Why are you avoiding the topic at hand?

Also... again, WTF have I been dishonest about... as in WTF could I even have been honest -or- dishonest about at all? I'm not saying that those particular ACers are correct or incorrect... not yet. What I'm pointing out is that all the 2+2 ACers, including the five 2+2 Deans of ACism, were a buncha frauds. They knew nothing about actual ACism at all... and were just pulling shiz out of their butts.

So... do you wanna provide some evidence that these particular ACers are indeed wrong, as you keep baldly arresting?

small sample size?

Those are the only samples I know of with large populations. There are anarcho-socialish communities. I think a city in Spain. There is quite a barrier as nation states all hate the idea of not having centralized power.

Good news ACists

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...w-deficit.html

Some more good news

That economist? Murray Rothbard. And written as part of the Mises Institute.

https://www.propublica.org/article/d..._medium=social

Economics has no normative content

https://extranewsfeed.com/economics-...t-73090f41fb2f

You attempt to use broad brush attacks based on a lone anonymous poster on Reddit! AND then whine like an anarcho-princess-troll about being called names! AND pretend you're having a debate! WTF. We're not even talking on the same level.