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Old 03-19-2017, 08:34 AM   #1
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anarcho capitalism

Does anyone still identify as an ancap in here?

Is it weird that Taso and PVN are on the opposite side of the spectrum now?

What happened to Borodog?
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:33 AM   #2
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:53 AM   #3
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I'm sure there's still a few still around that want to pretend it's not completely absurd
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Old 03-19-2017, 10:43 AM   #4
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Yeah it's crazy how many regulars here bought into this. I know I did a little bit. It's honestly hard to imagine a worse system.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:06 AM   #5
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Re: anarcho capitalism

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Is it weird that Taso and PVN are on the opposite side of the spectrum now?
They're still 100% on the same page.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:26 AM   #6
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I would have thought after the election of 2016, many people would be more open to the idea that maybe government shouldn't have so much power over our lives.

Oh, power is only bad when the other team has it. Got it.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:34 AM   #7
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Re: anarcho capitalism

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Oh, power is only bad when the bad team has it. Got it.
fyp and yes.

The point is that even in an AC society, power will eventually converge, and you will have even less control than now over who has it.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:47 AM   #8
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I think pvn's D&D alignment is true neutral.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:51 AM   #9
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This gif came to mind immediately.

Taso was all about Ron Paul in some recent threads so he has barely moved. pvn has clearly evened out but is not the OPPOSITE of ACist (which I think involves each person having a government handler who instructs them on everything).
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:52 AM   #10
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BTW there was nothing more tedious than those college sophomore level discussions of consent that dominated the forum for like 2-3 years.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:53 AM   #11
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BTW there was nothing more tedious than those college sophomore level discussions of consent that dominated the forum for like 2-3 years.
Don't lie, player; those were the good times.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:14 PM   #12
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Saw this tweet the other day and had legit flashbacks.

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Old 03-19-2017, 12:25 PM   #13
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fyp and yes.

The point is that even in an AC society, power will eventually converge, and you will have even less control than now over who has it.
A reality TV star has the nuclear codes. I don't really think we're in control now.

I'm not advocating AC. But if my choice is between an effort to reduce power no matter who is in charge and this weird seesaw action where two wildly different parties go in and out of power driving the other half insane with big changes, I would pick the reduced power. I am surprised more people don't see it that way. But most are just pushing their own agenda hard no matter the consequences of losing that power later.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:39 PM   #14
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BTW there was nothing more tedious than those college sophomore level discussions of consent that dominated the forum for like 2-3 years.
To be fair the political leanings of the whole forum were actually changed because of all those arguments. You may have thought all the ancaps to be dumb, but you have to give them some credit for being able to change their political views and in acknowledging better arguments. Outside of 2+2 that probably doesn't happen very often on an internet politics forum.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:42 PM   #15
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Does anyone still identify as an ancap in here?

Is it weird that Taso and PVN are on the opposite side of the spectrum now?

What happened to Borodog?
After this election it turned out all the extreme libertarians were really just fascists all along, who knew? (Not all of the libertarians on this board, but like just all the libertarians in society).
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:51 PM   #16
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I think the ancaps aged out of it more than were convinced. It's a misanthropic adolescent male fantasy. If people got married and had kids it's not surprising that they would shy away from the political philosophy of The Road Warrior.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:54 PM   #17
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They're still 100% on the same page.
Pvn supported Bernie and hates Trump.
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:07 PM   #18
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To be fair the political leanings of the whole forum were actually changed because of all those arguments. You may have thought all the ancaps to be dumb, but you have to give them some credit for being able to change their political views and in acknowledging better arguments. Outside of 2+2 that probably doesn't happen very often on an internet politics forum.
Tomdemaine is the only one I can think of who changed his mind. The rest seem to have left or gotten themselves banned.
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:54 PM   #19
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Tomdemaine is the only one I can think of who changed his mind. The rest seem to have left or gotten themselves banned.
I changed my mind fairly publicly and loudly; may have been before your time, though. I basically went:

Typical liberal > ACist > Left-libertarian > Social democrat

I agree with the comments above about the actual progress that's been made in discourse on this forum. It's one of the few places on the world wide interwebs where some semblance of rationality tends to prevail. I'm sure that's influenced by the systematic thinking that poker requires.

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Old 03-19-2017, 02:02 PM   #20
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Oh yeah, I forgot about Dr. M. Think his ACist phase was well before my time.
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Old 03-19-2017, 02:46 PM   #21
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Yeah it's crazy how many regulars here bought into this. I know I did a little bit. It's honestly hard to imagine a worse system.
Try the pervasive neo-liberal/freemarket capitalism that destroyed the global financial system and transferred trillions from poor to rich.
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Old 03-19-2017, 04:54 PM   #22
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Tomdemaine is the only one I can think of who changed his mind. The rest seem to have left or gotten themselves banned.
what is tom now?
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Old 03-19-2017, 06:39 PM   #23
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what is tom now?
Now he's British or something.
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Old 03-19-2017, 06:49 PM   #24
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Try the pervasive neo-liberal/freemarket capitalism that destroyed the global financial system and transferred trillions from poor to rich.
yeah ACism would certainly be worse than the status quo, if that's what you're saying. I say that comfortably and with full acknowledgement that the status quo is broken.

ACism is the worst parts of anarchism (ie an anarchism with no shared goals and community) and the worst parts of capitalism (which is inherently exploitative and must be regulated) combined. It's a joke.
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I would have thought after the election of 2016, many people would be more open to the idea that maybe government shouldn't have so much power over our lives.
No! You're a better poster than this! Stop it!
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