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04-26-2017 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
I'm going to call my DRO Leviathan.
04-26-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Rex Ingram
more like wealth and technological advancements have produced those things
generated under the auspices of what... go on you can say it... Government!
04-26-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
... LMFAO. This fool knows absolutely nothing about ACism...
Here is one of the most annoying things about ACers. Even when they get caught with their factual pants around their logical ankles, even when it's been pointed out they don't know the first thing about ACism... they just keep spewing on and on.

Amazing. Consider this fool...


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Originally Posted by pokerponcho
Therefore we should... appeal to the founders, etc...
Here we have a failed attempt at sarcasm. The loltastical foolishness here is this: all the laws in ACland flow from the ACland Constitution. This codified constitution would be written by... wait for it... the founders of the ACland regime.

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Originally Posted by pokerponcho
DROs mediate disputes, and at times arbitrate... These decisions are perceived as laws as long as it is beneficial, are openly discussed, and precedented by previous decisions.
Nope, wrong again. ACland would have real written laws, published in law books... just like RealityLand. These wouldn't be "perceived", they would be violently enforced... again, just like RealityLand. These laws would be written in the ACland Constitution, or published by the individual landlords. There would not be any "openly discussed" consensus process that considered shiz like "beneficial".

This is capitalism, remember? The landlords make the rules to their benefit, the landlord's DRO goons violently enforce those rules, and everyone else can pay-up or get thrown-out.

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Originally Posted by pokerponcho
I don't disagree if you realize that these entities are not bound to geography...
LMFAO no.

Everything in ACland is directly bound to geography. That's what property in land is, for goodness sakes. Do you folks even read the spew you write ??

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Originally Posted by pokerponcho
... Don't just whine about how great everything was in founderland... road-blocks to how society cannot function better than founderland.
Yeah, ACland==founderland, see above. This is just especially loltastical. Even if we didn't know the founders of the ACland regime would be that cadre of professional lobbyist who convene the Revolutionary Constitutional Convention... we do know the ACland regime would have to be founded by some group of peeps. Unless the ACer's imagine some diety creating a new worldly regime by distributing magical swords to watery tramps, so some such magic.

ACers... the gift of hilarity that, it seems, never stops giving.

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... Let the founderlandians do that... troll on about how the broken windows are good... iteration of relativism... democracy.

And there is no reason that you can't choose a DRO "from" anywhere...
Sure, I guess, the landlords can recruit their DRO goons from far & wide. Small comfort if you're not a landlord.

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... A paradigm shift away from worshipping... land owners...
Uh, dude. ACland is a paradigm shift back to feudalistic days... it "worships" landlords by making them all into kings. WTF are you even spewing about ??
04-26-2017 , 02:10 PM
Of course laws would be written down in books. You imply that I think otherwise. Your view is that ACism is a landlord heaven with cops violently enforcing a feudal society. I am saying that everyone is the king of their castle and can be the head of any company they put into fruition. You lack a certain maturity and I see no reason to interact with you, or to lower myself to your comfort level of discourse.
04-26-2017 , 02:37 PM
LMAO, ACist gets schooled, calls someone who clearly knows more about AC than him a doody head and withdraws. Classic ACist bull****.
04-26-2017 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
LMAO, ACist gets schooled, calls someone who clearly knows more about AC than him a doody head and withdraws. Classic ACist bull****.
It's all so predictable too.

Although, the loltastical spew about "founderland" was an especially nice little twist on the same-old. It was funny in it's own right... and it nicely highlighted the fact that this fool doesn't even know the very basics of ACism.

ACers... the "revolutionaries" who are ignorant of ACism, are too lazy to crack a book about ACism, and who aren't even curious enough to stick around and maybe learn a little something about what ACism might actually be.

Forever as always... LMFAO @ACers !!!1!
05-01-2017 , 05:00 PM
Sad but true



https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/859123768676843520
05-02-2017 , 07:20 PM
Pretty dull convo. I'd rather go shop for trolls on ebay. Thanks mods.
05-03-2017 , 01:07 PM
A good hour long listen to a left wing economist against the prevailing economic theory today which is very similar to ACism, at least ACism is more or less the logical conclusion of it, that the state in so far that it exists can only be used to help markets flourish and cannot, and in fact, morally, should not be messed with and how that got us where we are today

https://soundcloud.com/user-92741960...ne-episode-111

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 05-03-2017 at 01:13 PM.
05-04-2017 , 02:29 AM
Is there the same amount of dismissiveness in here for anarcho-syndicalism?
05-04-2017 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by r4diohe4d
Is there the same amount of dismissiveness in here for anarcho-syndicalism?
Generally not
05-09-2017 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by A_C_Slater
To be fair the political leanings of the whole forum were actually changed because of all those arguments. You may have thought all the ancaps to be dumb, but you have to give them some credit for being able to change their political views and in acknowledging better arguments. Outside of 2+2 that probably doesn't happen very often on an internet politics forum.
No.

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Tomdemaine is the only one I can think of who changed his mind. The rest seem to have left or gotten themselves banned.
This.

I also stopped posting after starting a business and deciding that wasting time debating endlessly for the next 8 years wasn't going to be worth it in the grand scheme of things. Although to be fair I always avoided serious posting in politics forum. Place felt like a cesspool.

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Originally Posted by DrModern
I just meant that the fact that ACism is basically dead now is a sign of progress within the forum.
Or perhaps ACists were the rational ones with more productive uses of their time that opt'd to cut their losses. If drawing our own assumptions/conclusions is cool then how's this -- ACists are disproportionately higher likely to be business people or successful in life, thus they have more to lose from dedicating 10 years+ debating on a forum. They leave that to the 9-5, desk job, liberal, Fly types. Point is, coming up with useless explanations that fit into your bubble world view is nothing more than delusional arrogance. Not necessarily you specifically, but in general.

I haven't seen "progress" on the forums. All that's transpired AFAICT is what you would expect to happen if one side of the argument (ACists) just leave the forum and stop posting. When ACists were posting in full force they made the much more compelling arguments. Then there's only so much you can repeat yourself before it gets old. Best posters that I remember were J.R, Borodog, Zygote, Tolbiny, etc. Very few of the serious ACist posters changed their position. They just gave up the good fight.
05-10-2017 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by boobies4me
... perhaps ACists were the rational ones... ACists are disproportionately higher likely to be... successful in life...
LMFAO no. ACers are generally spoiled cellar dwelling misfits who "failed to launch".

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... I haven't seen "progress" on the forums... When ACists were posting in full force they made the much more compelling arguments. Then there's only so much you can repeat yourself before it gets old...
LOL no. There has been great and serious progress made.

Bottom line: ACism isn't an "ideology", or a "philosophy", or even a "tendency". It's simply simple-minded self-contradictory gibberish, aptly entitled with an oxymoron. In a word, it's spam, full stop. That kinda spam used to overrun this forum. Now it's flatout laughed at. That is great and serious progress.

When the ACers were posting spamming in force, they were simply circle-jerking. They never had any "arguments"... compelling or otherwise. Don't believe me? Well... all that spam is still there "for all to see", as Teh Jabber-Wookie is wont to say. Go ahead, I dare you... quote us one of these "compelling arguments"... we could all use a good belly laugh.

The problem, and ultimate downfall, of the ACers is this: they are universally the most ignorant, lazy, and un-curious buncha lusers on the interwebs. What are they most ignorant of, lazy regarding, and un-curious towards... well, that would be ACism itself. In fact, they're all a buncha frauds, starting with the Five 2+2 Deans of ACism: #1 Borodog, #2 Nielsio, #3 zan nen, #4 AllCowsEatGrass, and #5 Proph.

Heck... I know five times as much about ACism than those five fools combined. ACers... what a buncha lusers !!!1!
05-20-2017 , 02:56 AM
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But instead of realizing that aggression and defense are merely ways of defining violence in relation to a necessarily prior theory of entitlement, many libertarians actually think non-aggression is a theory of entitlement. They think it can tell you who is entitled to what. But clearly it can’t. You can’t figure out what is and isn’t aggression unless you first establish (without any reference to aggression) who is entitled to what.

Let’s use another example. Suppose I go to tax you. My claim is simple. You are not, under my theory of distributive justice, entitled to the amount I am taxing you. It does not belong to you. It belongs to the retired person it is headed to. You then resist. So I use force where necessary to extract the tax.

Now there are two moves you can make here, one makes sense and the other doesn’t. The one that makes sense is to say: this is an unjust tax because the amount being taxed belongs to me, and I am entitled to it. The one that doesn’t make sense and does no argumentative work whatsoever is to say: this is aggression.

The reason it makes no sense is because it does what philosophers call begging the question. Why is taxing you aggression rather than defense? Well it’s aggression because you are entitled to what is being taxed from you (you claim). Fine, I hear that you believe it belongs to you. But I don’t believe it belongs to you. So really when you say it is aggression, you are just assuming as an unstated premise exactly what we are disagreeing about: whether the thing actually belongs to you or not. If I am right about the thing not belonging to you, it’s not aggression. If you are right about it belonging to you, it is.

So calling it aggression when we are disputing whether it belongs to you literally does nothing in the debate.
http://mattbruenig.com/2013/10/03/no...k-at-any-time/
05-20-2017 , 06:12 AM
tldr; sorry. if you are interest in having an actual discussion, please post your own words
05-20-2017 , 06:14 AM
He may not have been posting for your benefit like.
05-20-2017 , 06:17 AM
he should start his own thread then. this thread is for discussion, not spamming random articles about political a political philosophy he happens to feel strongly against.
05-20-2017 , 06:19 AM
Well it is relevant to the subject irrespective of whether you want to respond to it or not and it's not like it interrupted a recent discussion it was the first post itt in 10 days.
05-20-2017 , 06:25 AM
Well I can paste random **** that I found on the internet supporting anarcho-capitalism and bashing statists ITT too, while providing no content of my own. Just because something is relevant, doesn't mean it is actually need to be posted.
05-20-2017 , 06:49 AM
This is 2p2 politics saying something doesn't need to be posted is moot.
05-20-2017 , 07:42 AM
So how are statists not basing their world view on assumptions that the taxes belong to the government? I mean, this is a slippery slope that becomes very uncomfortable for the statist to defend.
05-20-2017 , 07:56 AM
How so?
05-20-2017 , 08:24 AM
Again, what does statism and taxes have to do with AC land? ACland stands on it's own it shouldn't be described in terms of statism because what usually happens is the ACist says it will be just like statism except better without explaining what they did with all the poors and colored people that were murdered for trying to feed their family.
05-20-2017 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rex Ingram
tldr; sorry. if you are interest in having an actual discussion, please post your own words
The principle of non aggression is meaningless. It completely depends on the underlying theory of who deserves what. If you think you deserve something then it's defense and if you don't, then it's aggression. The aggression part depends on if you think you deserve something or not.

Also 3 paragraphs isn't that hard to read.

An even shorter summary

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Libertarians believe, like basically every other economic justice theory in history, that it is ok to use violence that is consistent with their theory of who is entitled to what (labeled “defense”), but not ok to use violence that is inconsistent with it (labeled “aggression”). But unlike every other theory of economic justice, libertarians are uniquely confused into believing that calling things defense and aggression can give you any insight into who is actually entitled to what in the first place.
05-20-2017 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by boobies4me
ACists are disproportionately higher likely to be business people or successful in life
Wow, I bet you are just swimming in evidence that supports this claim

      
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