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Old 04-07-2017, 01:08 PM   #151
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The very first thing you have to do to BEGIN to have people take your absurd conspiracy theory seriously is provide a serious, viable alternative. General statements like this mean nothing.
I've watched how the U.S. wages war in the Middle East for 15 years and attempts to scare up support for attacks on countries all across the region. That gives me plenty of reason to be suspicious. See the quote below from microbet.

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History has shown that the incident which starts a war should absolutely be viewed skeptically. It also shows that authority will come down hard on any skepticism. Knees have jerked. Drums are beating.
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Exactly. We are going to need some evidence in support of a relatively coherent alternative explanation, or it is going to be banhammer time.
I sure hope this isn't in reference to me.


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Saddam had anthrax and Assad waited 6 years into a war that he was winning to drop some Sarin, 'MURICA.
Seriously. How in the world does it make sense to kill a relatively small number of people with a type of weapon that will certainly draw immense international attention and turn the overall opinion against your cause in a heartbeat.

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There's also plenty of reasons that the Trump team (if they are truly the originators of the attack, which I also don't accept at face value) would want to appear as though they are willing to strike a Russian ally. You realize the whole administration is under investigation for being connected to the Russians, right? (I TOTALLY BELIEVE IN THESE ALLEGATIONS, FWIW.)

So far, it has been a relatively minor strike. This is easily the kind of thing that could just be smoke and mirrors to distract from appearances that the administration is too soft on Russia.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:10 PM   #152
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Re: America Going to War with Syria!

Lou,

The most direct cause of it is the United States invasion of Iraq. The United States cannot stop this war. We are not capable of it. We haven't stopped the war in Afghanistan despite spending more trying to do that than we spent on the Marshall Plan. We certainly can't stop the war with bombs. we can help it spread to Jordan Lebanon and Saudi Arabia though.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:12 PM   #153
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The gas was dropped from the air, none of the rebel groups(be they jihadist or otherwise) have a functioning airforce. So the conspiracy here is either:

1) Russia did it
2) Turkey did it
3) NATO did it
4) Israel did it?

Who exactly are we blaming here?
Covert U.S. forces have been in Syria for a while now. I absolutely do not put it past the U.S. to infiltrate the Syrian air force and plant or convince an individual to do something like this in order to create justification for an attack.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:12 PM   #154
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I've watched how the U.S. wages war in the Middle East for 15 years and attempts to scare up support for attacks on countries all across the region. That gives me plenty of reason to be suspicious. See the quote below from microbet.



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I sure hope this isn't in reference to me.




Seriously. How in the world does it make sense to kill a relatively small number of people with a type of weapon that will certainly draw immense international attention and turn the overall opinion against your cause in a heartbeat.

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There's also plenty of reasons that the Trump team (if they are truly the originators of the attack, which I also don't accept at face value) would want to appear as though they are willing to strike a Russian ally. You realize the whole administration is under investigation for being connected to the Russians, right? (I TOTALLY BELIEVE IN THESE ALLEGATIONS, FWIW.)

So far, it has been a relatively minor strike. This is easily the kind of thing that could just be smoke and mirrors to distract from appearances that the administration is too soft on Russia.
None of these statements provides a concrete, plausible alternative to Assad ordering the gas strike.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:15 PM   #155
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To you, maybe. Stop thinking on level one.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:17 PM   #156
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Baller,

Yes, it's in reference to you.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:17 PM   #157
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U.S. Officials: Syria Gas Attack Consistent With Nerve Agent
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-...-agent-n742981

Syria poison gas attack has fingerprints of Assad government: U.S. intel official
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...-idUSKBN1762QV

Yet for Gabbard, it's not "he should be executed for these chemical weapons attacks," it's "IF he did it, he should be executed." She's trying to spread doubt about something that is pretty much known. If the sarin attacks were perpetrated by the rebels or ISIS, WHERE IS THEIR AIR FORCE? Those attacks came from the sky.
You don't think we should be at least a little sceptical of official statments when it comes justification for military action?
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:17 PM   #158
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Covert U.S. forces have been in Syria for a while now. I absolutely do not put it past the U.S. to infiltrate the Syrian air force and plant or convince an individual to do something like this in order to create justification for an attack.
It was the aliens.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:19 PM   #159
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So you don't want to go to war but you want the person who thinks we are rushing to war to get removed from office because she takes a nuanced position in recognizing that killing a whole bunch of people in response to another guy killing people is just eye for an eye leaving everyone dead?
You are not using the word nuanced correctly at all.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:20 PM   #160
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Baller,

Yes, it's in reference to you.
I think if you read all of my statements in this thread you'll find that I am engaging in debate honestly. I really don't get what I have done wrong.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:20 PM   #161
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History has shown that the incident which starts a war should absolutely be viewed skeptically. It also shows that authority will come down hard on any skepticism. Knees have jerked. Drums are beating.
This, it seems like the alternatives are being discussed respectfully, I don't see the point in censoring speculation
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:21 PM   #162
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Covert U.S. forces have been in Syria for a while now. I absolutely do not put it past the U.S. to infiltrate the Syrian air force and plant or convince an individual to do something like this in order to create justification for an attack.
Just to be clear this is the official stance of the AIP. American Imbecile Party.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:25 PM   #163
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Covert U.S. forces have been in Syria for a while now. I absolutely do not put it past the U.S. to infiltrate the Syrian air force and plant or convince an individual to do something like this in order to create justification for an attack.
I don't care about your insane opinions, though.

"Local ill-informed crazy person thinks it might have been a false flag"

Oh wow this changes everything.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:26 PM   #164
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So you call me an imbecile and insane because I don't take our governments stance at face value?

Gulf of Tonkin? Anyone?
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:28 PM   #165
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The idea that the MiB infiltrated the Syrian Air Force and dropped a sarin bomb is so silly. A bunch of Democrats, Seattlelou and John McCain will have a lot to laugh about while they drop a million tons of explosives on Syria.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:29 PM   #166
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Gulf of Tonkin, therefore false flag

World-class logic baller
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:31 PM   #167
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Why do you allow this guy to call posters liars without asking him to prove the lies he's accusing people of making, or eat a ban? Not cool that he can casually drop that on people and walk away without a scratch.
And crickets from Wookie.

Wtf? Does this guy have a pee video of you?
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:32 PM   #168
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Re: America Going to War with Syria!

That's hardly the extent of my argument.

I'm saying:

1) We have done similar things before.
2) There is plenty of reason to want to frame this guy.

Neither of these things mean I think he is innocent, it means I would just like to see a proper debate before doing something that could potentially start World War III.

Take it to Congress. Take it to the U.N. Something.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:36 PM   #169
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That's hardly the extent of my argument.

I'm saying:

1) We have done similar things before.
2) There is plenty of reason to want to frame this guy.

Neither of these things mean I think he is innocent, it means I would just like to see a proper debate before doing something that could potentially start World War III.

Take it to Congress. Take it to the U.N. Something.
seems pretty reasonable to me. I don't really understand why mostly reasonable people ITT seem to have 100% confidence in official explanations to the point of this condescension
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:39 PM   #170
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That's hardly the extent of my argument.

I'm saying:

1) We have done similar things before.
2) There is plenty of reason to want to frame this guy.

Neither of these things mean I think he is innocent, it means I would just like to see a proper debate before doing something that could potentially start World War III.

Take it to Congress. Take it to the U.N. Something.
OK, a "proper debate" about how and why a particular series of events happened requires

1. Competing coherent explanations (you are here).
2. Evidence in support of said explanations (you have shown none).
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:40 PM   #171
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seems pretty reasonable to me. I don't really understand why mostly reasonable people ITT seem to have 100% confidence in official explanations to the point of this condescension
They don't. They just refuse to indulge in conspiracy theory speculation.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:41 PM   #172
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seems pretty reasonable to me. I don't really understand why mostly reasonable people ITT seem to have 100% confidence in official explanations to the point of this condescension
I don't have 100 percent confidence. I am certainly willing to update my understanding of things in light of new evidence. So far, we have no evidence that runs contrary to the official explanation.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:47 PM   #173
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Re: America Going to War with Syria!

Obvious meta conspiracy is obvious.

Need guys to come out with super dumb conspiracies to make people more sceptical about the one true actual conspiracy.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:48 PM   #174
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I don't have 100 percent confidence. I am certainly willing to update my understanding of things in light of new evidence. So far, we have no evidence that runs contrary to the official explanation.
No plausible alternative has been put forth. Suggesting the US military dropped sarin gas on Syrian children is not plausible.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:54 PM   #175
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