I've watched how the U.S. wages war in the Middle East for 15 years and attempts to scare up support for attacks on countries all across the region. That gives me plenty of reason to be suspicious. See the quote below from microbet.

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I sure hope this isn't in reference to me.


Seriously. How in the world does it make sense to kill a relatively small number of people with a type of weapon that will certainly draw immense international attention and turn the overall opinion against your cause in a heartbeat.

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There's also plenty of reasons that the Trump team (if they are truly the originators of the attack, which I also don't accept at face value) would want to appear as though they are willing to strike a Russian ally. You realize the whole administration is under investigation for being connected to the Russians, right? (I TOTALLY BELIEVE IN THESE ALLEGATIONS, FWIW.)

So far, it has been a relatively minor strike. This is easily the kind of thing that could just be smoke and mirrors to distract from appearances that the administration is too soft on Russia.

Lou,

The most direct cause of it is the United States invasion of Iraq. The United States cannot stop this war. We are not capable of it. We haven't stopped the war in Afghanistan despite spending more trying to do that than we spent on the Marshall Plan. We certainly can't stop the war with bombs. we can help it spread to Jordan Lebanon and Saudi Arabia though.

Covert U.S. forces have been in Syria for a while now. I absolutely do not put it past the U.S. to infiltrate the Syrian air force and plant or convince an individual to do something like this in order to create justification for an attack.

None of these statements provides a concrete, plausible alternative to Assad ordering the gas strike.

To you, maybe. Stop thinking on level one.

Baller,

Yes, it's in reference to you.

You don't think we should be at least a little sceptical of official statments when it comes justification for military action?

It was the aliens.

You are not using the word nuanced correctly at all.

I think if you read all of my statements in this thread you'll find that I am engaging in debate honestly. I really don't get what I have done wrong.

This, it seems like the alternatives are being discussed respectfully, I don't see the point in censoring speculation

Just to be clear this is the official stance of the AIP. American Imbecile Party.

I don't care about your insane opinions, though.

"Local ill-informed crazy person thinks it might have been a false flag"

Oh wow this changes everything.

So you call me an imbecile and insane because I don't take our governments stance at face value?

Gulf of Tonkin? Anyone?

The idea that the MiB infiltrated the Syrian Air Force and dropped a sarin bomb is so silly. A bunch of Democrats, Seattlelou and John McCain will have a lot to laugh about while they drop a million tons of explosives on Syria.

Gulf of Tonkin, therefore false flag

World-class logic baller

And crickets from Wookie.

Wtf? Does this guy have a pee video of you?

That's hardly the extent of my argument.

I'm saying:

1) We have done similar things before.
2) There is plenty of reason to want to frame this guy.

Neither of these things mean I think he is innocent, it means I would just like to see a proper debate before doing something that could potentially start World War III.

Take it to Congress. Take it to the U.N. Something.

seems pretty reasonable to me. I don't really understand why mostly reasonable people ITT seem to have 100% confidence in official explanations to the point of this condescension

OK, a "proper debate" about how and why a particular series of events happened requires

1. Competing coherent explanations (you are here).
2. Evidence in support of said explanations (you have shown none).

They don't. They just refuse to indulge in conspiracy theory speculation.

I don't have 100 percent confidence. I am certainly willing to update my understanding of things in light of new evidence. So far, we have no evidence that runs contrary to the official explanation.

Obvious meta conspiracy is obvious.

Need guys to come out with super dumb conspiracies to make people more sceptical about the one true actual conspiracy.

No plausible alternative has been put forth. Suggesting the US military dropped sarin gas on Syrian children is not plausible.

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