Yeah its pretty amazing to me that the bushes and obamas in this thread start grinding substance down to yet another Hatfields and McCoys hillbilly fight.

This "program" is just as egregious as rounding up all U.S. citizens with Japanese ancestry and confining them to holding pens. Only this time everybody is being lumped together for our own good. Everyone in our lives is being analysed, everyone we speak to, everything we do electronically is property of us govt. Hell we might as well just go to eye scans for everybody, national id cards.

Lindsay Graham "" yeah im jus a good ole boy and i dont care if the govt has my phone number "" im done voting for you, youve done nothing really to help the really poor people in this state. Your a disgrace.

It is less egregious than rounding up all U.S. citizens with Japanese ancestry and confining them to holding pens.

Use speech recognition to convert the calls to text and you can shrink it down by a factor of 100 or so.

I said no not really to your assertion that they're probably not going after "all your internets." They clearly are.

We've already got evidence they're going after the vast majority of your internets. No reason to think they aren't monitoring what people are downloading and torrenting as well.

This whole thing is moving along about like we figured it would, so let's move this thing back to tinfoil hat land.

What's going to come next? Well, I figure that every day, more and more information becomes available online, and these activities are only going to grow. Everything digital that you say, read, write, watch, buy, or search is available. The government doesn't even have to store much of it, they just need access to the companies that do. Data mining and predictive algorithms become more and more efficient. Social network links become wider and more precise. Kids grow up in this environment and don't know any differently. That's just the way things have always been. It's in the constitution.

Every country with the resources will be involved in this. It's an arms race. Information has always been one of the most important resources in the world, so every country will be jockeying for first position. They'll want to know the most about other countries, and they'll want to know the most about their own.

Monetary implications are huge. This data is worth billions upon billions, and companies will fall all over themselves to be given gold tier availability if they'll cooperate. This is not even some huge government conspiracy. It's just taking advantage of a perfect storm.

This thread is an example of part of what's coming, along with everything going to "the cloud," sometimes without even having a local storage option that might be protected. BTW, a large portion of the cloud is hosted by the companies that are involved in the article linked in this thread. "Cyber terrorism" fear-mongering is another link in the chain. Copyright protection helps. Privacy on the internet must be scaled back. Back doors in hardware. Gag orders. Dogs and cats living together. Mass apathy.

Here's a prediction. One or more of the big(lol?) anonymous networks (Tor, I2P, etc) will be compromised. They are really the only island bastion in an ocean of this **** (even though these islands have their own lakes of ****). Once they are broken and/or suspect, it's game over.

I only hope with all that's going on, this technology and money and loss of privacy will help the authorities find my GD golf clubs that got stolen three years ago. I mean, come on. Throw me a bone.


P.S. Lindsey Graham, when you read this, please honor my request to browse through your emails and phone records for the past 8 to 10 years. You've got nothing to hide, and I'm low on masturbatory material.

That's why Jesus invented VPN.

Yeah the pin is bigger for us.

To the time machine! Destination 2 hours ago!

Is Rand gonna do another fillibuster? That would be an xpert play imo.

Who got so rustled over Rand's filibuster? Case Closed maybe? Jimmies were confirmed rustled by that iirc, a second filibuster would be even more enrustleling

I suspect that'd be counterproductive. While his cause is right, nobody trusts the guy. It's like when Nugent or Alex Jones says something. They might actually be 100% correct, but everybody dismisses their message because they're known whackjobs. Rand Paul making a spectacle of himself over this would just give TPTB room to be dismissive about it.

lol @ this post
so good

The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama
A nice timeline over the last decade showing how this has essentially been all out in the open and reported on for a good 10 years starting with the Total Information Awareness program, which was merely renamed after it drew to much attention. Not that I'm against limiting this, but why is the scandal machine making a big deal out of it now?

It's been out in the open, sort of, but what has been overtly talked about have been very limited pieces, all of which sort of overlap and they all have their own project names so it looks like they're all very compartmentalized and extremely limited in scope. But the reality is they all plug into a bigger, much more invasive program.

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I took a course taught by Viet Dinh in law school. He's widely credited as the chief architect of the Patriot Act. He's a funny guy and well aware of his reputation. Made civil rights jokes from time to time.

I can't remember. Does this make him Aaronson, Rutherford, or Jones?

I think that's the point, they've been pretty upfront about leaking all the big pieces of this over the years, so that when the big picture is eventually leaked the public doesn't go Sacrebleu!

seems like an interesting fellow

dinh, not you :-)

id be interested in knowing if there is a noticeable drop in in web traffic to XXX tube streaming sites once the masses realized all the freaky **** they're into watching is being logged into a database that 10 years from now will be leaked and searchable by their future spouses/kids/employers/etc

so since my gf is a liberal who defends Pres Obama to the hilt I send her texts with Prez Obama wants to see them titties!

And she always obliges. I like this scandal.

At least I know where to access my hand histories!
[some1 try 2 convince me that HH gathering WASN'T SOP since 2003...]

I doubt anyone in the future will be able to trace our IP addresses back to us for simple stuff like "person x watched porn y"

It's bad when I'm thinking of the types of communication that I do that the government doesn't passively have access to.